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Old 02-09-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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Not being a smart aleck... Who computes the premium rate and will it take on a completely new approach or use industry standards?

I would think that many medical, economic and actuarial specialists would put in their 2 cents.
But politics would rule the day.
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Old 02-09-2016, 01:45 PM
 
Location: louisville
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I would think that many medical, economic and actuarial specialists would put in their 2 cents.
But politics would rule the day.
If that's the case, know what changes from how it operates today?
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Old 02-09-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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If that's the case, know what changes from how it operates today?
As politics change, so will premium schedules.

Moving forward I would predict more support from central new money creation. Along with various formulas for premiums, copays and deductibles that the specialists work out.
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Young people on Medicare would have to pay premiums for the insurance. They would not be added for free!
You're going to burden young people with additional debt and expenses, simply because they're young?

Single insureds are already subsidizing the married, the married with children, and the older married crowd.

Everyone needs to bear their own burden and not that of others.
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Technology will solve the problem. New diagnostic methods will eventually prevail, and the problem will solve itself.

During the transition period Americans will continue to gripe about how great it is Canada and Europe.

In a few decades we will have more front-line PA's or similar handling the runny noses and front-line care. Doctors will be specialists.
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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You're going to burden young people with additional debt and expenses, simply because they're young?

Single insureds are already subsidizing the married, the married with children, and the older married crowd.

Everyone needs to bear their own burden and not that of others.

Actuarily speaking the young are burdened by higher auto premiums. It only seems fair they pay less for medical insurance. Premiums should be tied to risk and expected payments.
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:11 PM
 
Location: louisville
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Actuarily speaking the young are burdened by higher auto premiums. It only seems fair they pay less for medical insurance. Premiums should be tied to risk and expected payments.
One point, actuarialially: when groups are going threw renewals or quotes, child bearing years are definitively factored in so they actually cover those post child bearing, pre retirement, in higher premiums for all.

'Young and healthy' is not really used in actuary tables... It's broken down way further!
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:20 PM
 
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Not being a smart aleck... Who computes the premium rate and will it take on a completely new approach or use industry standards?
This is not rocket science.

A 40 years old man with a family would simply have the option of buying a public plan or a private plan. Those over age 65 have the option of keeping private health insurance or switching to medicare. This is not anything NEW.

BTW, I suspect the premiums charged by the private insurance are mostly tied to profit. Hopefully a public plan premium will be tied to profit.
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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You're going to burden young people with additional debt and expenses, simply because they're young?
This is not a burden, young people already pay premiums for private health insurance. Paying premiums for public health insurance may actually be cheaper for the young because there is no profit incentive in the medical plan.

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Single insureds are already subsidizing the married, the married with children, and the older married crowd.

Everyone needs to bear their own burden and not that of others.
You are more than welcome to move to a remote place and not drive the highways or use any utility. And for the love of God I hope you plow your own street when it snows and I bet you would never dare to play golf in your local public course. And of one thing I am certain: You send your kids to private schools.

Do you belong to any of the species of solitary animals?
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:26 PM
 
Location: louisville
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This is not rocket science.

A 40 years old man with a family would simply have the option of buying a public plan or a private plan. Those over age 65 have the option of keeping private health insurance or switching to medicare. This is not anything NEW.

BTW, I suspect the premiums charged by the private insurance are mostly tied to profit. Hopefully a public plan premium will be tied to profit.
You didn't answer the question though: who computes the premium?

The 40 yr old can buy a public plan (ACA)

65 year old can keep a private plan (Medicare advantage)

We've been thru the premiums of private insurers.

Again, not arguing, but who would set the premium would or could go a long way in persuading people on viability.
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