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Old 02-04-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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You just described a complex system design to maximize profits. These folks see health care as a perennial cash cow even thou they provide ZERO health care. All the work private insurance do could be contracted out for a service fee.
It's also, in a round about way, rations. With our way of delivering health care with its multiple plans, schemes, membership exclusions, state inclusions/exclusions etc. whether we recognize it for what it is or not, it rations care more than any first world nation on earth. My proposal would be the opposite of the op's suggestion. Lower the age requirement for medicare to 45-55 years of age, or there about, removing those at higher risk from the pool. This should lower costs significantly for those at less risk.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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Taxes are unavoidable. FICA and Medicare are taxes even if they have a different name.
So you want me to pay, with the agreement that I get a product when I retire, but want to go back on that? Nice.

I have a better idea. Why don't we start charging young people double or triple taxes to pay for older folks when they retire?
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:30 AM
 
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The young and healthy pay premiums for private insurance. Why not use those premiums to buy Medicare insurance? We know the Private Insurance folks make billions in providing insurance to the young. One would think Medicare could also make money by insuring these folks.

The government lends money to college kids and charges them a high interest.


Government books $41.3 billion in student loan profits

Why not provide more choices to the citizens like they do in many European countries.



What is wrong with competition?

This is not single payer, this free market competition.
Austria pays between 21% and 50% in income tax, and 20% sales tax. Be careful what you wish for.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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Austria pays between 21% and 50% in income tax, and 20% sales tax. Be careful what you wish for.
We are not Austria. As mentioned earlier each country does their gig differently. However, here in the States without all those taxes, we pay more than all of those other nations.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Houston
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The argument for single payer is the same argument for socialism.

Why do we need all these different automobile companies making a profit?
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Houston
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We are not Austria. As mentioned earlier each country does their gig differently. However, here in the States without all those taxes, we pay more than all of those other nations.
I tell you what, since government already pays more than 50% of healthcare cost all you liberals have to do is show a plan that will cut our healthcare costs in half and even I will go for it.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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The argument for single payer is the same argument for socialism.

Why do we need all these different automobile companies making a profit?
You're right, having heart surgery is totally like a buying a car.

You go down to the heart surgery dealership and check out the different prices of the different heart surgeries available. And if you can't afford one, just don't get one. I mean nobody really NEEDS heart surgery, right?
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Houston
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You're right, having heart surgery is totally like a buying a car.
As much as buying a chocolate bar is.

Ask yourself why you can't compare prices of medical services?
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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Competition IS a good thing. But inserting government is NOT making it competition. It's making it socialism. Getting government out of the way will created competition.

So you want the government to sell health plans. I guess you answered my question - you ARE a Sanders supporter.
You need to look up the definition of the word socialism. You have been brainwashed by the right.

In the meantime I assume you will not get Medicare insurance when you are OLD and will continue to support the CEOs and investors-owners of the Private Insurance Companies.

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Old 02-04-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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I tell you what, since government already pays more than 50% of healthcare cost all you liberals have to do is show a plan that will cut our healthcare costs in half and even I will go for it.
Eliminating the profits of the Private Insurance company is a start. All Private insurance do is act like a middle MAN and they provide ZERO health care. Let them compete with a public health plan and see if they can do it for less money.
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