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How are we the people to maintain a free state, with government in check?
The checks and balances have gone a skew.
The 1st amendment is being leaned upon in todays America like in no other time in the nations history.
The 2nd Amendment started being neutered immediately following the Civil War. It has been stripped of all its glory and ability.
The 4th Amendment has been leaned upon since prohibition and has accelerated in the war on drugs and now this terrorism crisis the government has created.
The 5th Amendment is a conviction now, instead of government finding the truth. Plead the 5th and see the intimidation pushed at you immediately.
The 8th Amendment, has been abused with mandatory sentencing. Long incarceration and death for victimless crimes.(laVoy F.)
The 10th Amendment was taken before the Civil War and was the cause of the Civil War.
What is the definition of:
being necessary to the security of a Free State.
If the freedom & liberty outlined in the Constitution is constantly being treaded upon by an all powerful government, what is necessary to the security of a free State, to maintain the US. Constitution in its full glory???
The right to vote isn't saving the constitution, from those dead set on destroying it all together.
When we lose the free press and they become the government's propaganda machine, the government can then do whatever it wants. the head of the DOJ can lie on warrants and judge shop, the head of the senate can lie to thow an election and the president can lie about the attack on an embassy and no legal of moral consequence because the media looks the other way. Freedom is then defined at the whim of the government to suit its political agenda.
I still wonder what in Hell Bent Bow and his cohort are talking about. I do not see what "freedoms" I have lost. I can still say and write what ever I want. I can keep, own and carry firearms. I can travel where I want with few exceptions.
I cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater if there is no fire. I cannot write false accusations without being libelous and held responsible for the liable. I do object to some restrictions on my carrying firearms anywhere I have legal right to be. I cannot travel on military reservations without permission for security reasons.
You would think, more people would understand the amendments of the Bill of Rights, so government doesn't take them for they to decide for you.
This is why the government hates Mormons, well some of them. Many have always been Constitutionalist and this is what help form the Patriots and Militia. Brigham Young was very much for Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Preacher Young was a megalomaniac that realized that fools were born at a far higher rate then one a minute. The incomprehensible part is people still believe his absurdity.
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I still wonder what in Hell Bent Bow and his cohort are talking about. I do not see what "freedoms" I have lost. I can still say and write what ever I want. I can keep, own and carry firearms. I can travel where I want with few exceptions.
I cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater if there is no fire. I cannot write false accusations without being libelous and held responsible for the liable. I do object to some restrictions on my carrying firearms anywhere I have legal right to be. I cannot travel on military reservations without permission for security reasons.
I consider myself a free man. That is all I need.
If you said the wrong thing to the wrong person, your home and communication devices could be placed under surveillance no warrant required. The safe guard of having to have a judge and the case presented before one, is gone. They also have the right to search your home, again, no warrant necessary as they have increased their power to do so; decreased your power to stop them.
If you wrote for a public publication and was investigating a cover up, you'd be hard pressed to be allowed to print it and to have people openly discuss that which you found.
People with big ideas have a tendency to disappear. That is why people that have them, do not let their thoughts be known, to others.
"Between 1981 and 1990, five Vietnamese-American journalists were killed in what the FBI suspected was a string of political assassinations. Unlike other violent attacks on journalists, these murders garnered relatively little attention." https://www.propublica.org/series/te...-little-saigon
If it doesn't seem to effect you, is it really true you have lost freedoms, is like saying if the tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound.
btw: Don't get to use to carrying that gun as it is but a vote away from being gone.
I still wonder what in Hell Bent Bow and his cohort are talking about. I do not see what "freedoms" I have lost. I can still say and write what ever I want. I can keep, own and carry firearms. I can travel where I want with few exceptions.
I cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater if there is no fire. I cannot write false accusations without being libelous and held responsible for the liable. I do object to some restrictions on my carrying firearms anywhere I have legal right to be. I cannot travel on military reservations without permission for security reasons.
I consider myself a free man. That is all I need.
I think it comes down to relative freedom vs actual freedom. Some are fine living in dictatorships, some are fine in somewhat socialist counties, some are fine in bare bones minarchist type of government, and some aren't content with anyone ruling them at all. It's all about what you'll put up with.
There's a quote that goes something like "the enemy of the great is the good", meaning that people will just be content with what they have if its "good enough" and they'll settle on it. Some people will say that they're fine with the amount of control others have over them, or it might not even register that it could be different, and others feel the need to push back. I personally can't bring myself to sit there and take it passively.
I actually think it's stupid of anyone in power to push too hard for more control, because people start becoming upset at some point. If you allow people a lot of freedom and then take a bit in taxes here and there, they're less likely to fight back against it. It goes along with the idea that power over others is addictive, and people will often continue to push what they're allowed to do. That's why state power tends to increase over time unless people say they've had enough, as Jefferson predicted...
Which leads back to people being content with whatever they're born into...it's the frog in the pot analogy - throw it in hot water and it jumps out. Slowly boil it over time and it doesn't realize it's being cooked.
I still wonder what in Hell Bent Bow and his cohort are talking about. I do not see what "freedoms" I have lost. I can still say and write what ever I want. I can keep, own and carry firearms. I can travel where I want with few exceptions.
Can you really? Were have the gun maker rights gone........seems people think they can own a gun, but what if one needs something, this is being limited and most don't even see the elephant in the room! Have you even noticed gun manufacturers are having federal issues?
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I cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater if there is no fire. I cannot write false accusations without being libelous and held responsible for the liable. I do object to some restrictions on my carrying firearms anywhere I have legal right to be. I cannot travel on military reservations without permission for security reasons.
Don't ever step over the line and have IRS wanting more taxes from you........"free" If a person has no house mortgage you still do not own the property, the state does, it is NEVER yours. Why do I have to pay Federal taxes from my paycheck? The federal government should not be asking us for money, yet we let them. I agree with paying state taxes, this benefits you and I, what does paying Federal taxes do? The say it's paying off debt and road work, etc....we are $19 trillion in debt to foreign countries, we've got major issues with our power grid.......again how free are you, really?
Democrats are the leading people behind in paying Federal taxes. Many owe a lot, yet the government can harass ranchers and nobody is asking why Al Sharpton and others are not paying there share.
If I was stupid enough to be overheard by "a wrong person" planning a terrorist attack I should have my phones tapped. A warrant is still required for a search of my person or property.
If I were investigating a cover up and found evidence I would probably shop it to the publishers and to the guilty and sell it to the highest bidder. That is just good business.
I am still here.
I do not know about the government killing reporters but it would not surprise me.
If I decide I need to carry a gun I will do so.
I pay what I consider more then my proper share of taxes but I do not yet have the influence to get that changed.
FWIW - If I could I would handle the Western range issue by either or both charging the same fees for grazing on/federal land as any private land owner or removing cattle from Federal land to allow the vegetation to recover from private rancher's overgrazing. I consider overgrazing just a way for private business to abuse and damage my property. I think the Government handled this protest and occupation with a great deal more patience and wisdom than I.
I do not believe that western ranchers have any more right to having their "way of life"
protected than the industrial workers of Detroit or the Cod fisherman of Maine.
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was doing it? I liked (not) how when reporting about these people, it was always the "militia this, the militia that" If people take time to watch videos, it is very clear the towns people were just fine with these people arriving, yet the media lied to all of you!
