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Old 02-08-2016, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Jesselyn Radack was the ethics attorney for the Justice Department. Her first hand experience is about as factual and telling as is possible. You should read the entire interview. Here is an excerpt.
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Would National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Edward Snowden be better off had he gone through official channels to expose his employer's questionable domestic surveillance practices? No way, says his lawyer, Jesselyn Radack of ExposeFacts.org. And she should know: The national security and human rights attorney has represented numerous other government whistleblowers and even acted as one herself.

Q: Some of your clients went through what channels seemed to be official at the time.

A: Thomas Drake went through every conceivable internal channel about a number of surveillance programs. He went to his boss. He went to the NSA general counsel. He went to the House and Senate intelligence committees. And not only did they fail to redress his concern, they turned around and prosecuted him for espionage. So for all the people out there shouting that Edward Snowden should have gone through the proper channels, first of all, there are not that many channels for national security whistleblowers. They are excluded from most avenues. But second of all, Tom Drake, Bill Binney, Kirk Wiebe, and Ed Loomis did go through the proper channels. And all of them fell under criminal investigation for having done so.

Defending the Whistleblowers - Reason.com
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:22 PM
 
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I don't have a problem with Snowden the "whistle blower" but does whistle blowing include revealing such state secrets as the allegation that the U.S. spies on Israel? How is that whistle blowing that protects American liberties?
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I don't have a problem with Snowden the "whistle blower" but does whistle blowing include revealing such state secrets as the allegation that the U.S. spies on Israel? How is that whistle blowing that protects American liberties?
You think these governments don't know that we spy on them ?
We spy on them like they spy on us.
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:31 PM
 
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He signed a non-disclosure clause.

He violated black letter law and should be incarcerated in Supermax.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I don't have a problem with Snowden the "whistle blower" but does whistle blowing include revealing such state secrets as the allegation that the U.S. spies on Israel? How is that whistle blowing that protects American liberties?
Watch the movie. All of your questions will be answered.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:04 PM
 
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He signed a non-disclosure clause.

He violated black letter law and should be incarcerated in Supermax.
So, you obviously didn't read the link.

Regardless of what somebody signs they have an obligation to uphold the constitution and expose governments illegal activities.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:26 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Just because he disagreed with it and even disgusted with it doesn't mean he should blow the whistle. I think he should be sent to Guantanamo bay for water boarding, hell yes, my Trump like comment. But I think he's done a lot of damaging to this country.
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Old 02-09-2016, 02:19 AM
 
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So, you obviously didn't read the link.

Regardless of what somebody signs they have an obligation to uphold the constitution and expose governments illegal activities.
No I didn't read the link.

He violated national security and should be shot.
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:36 AM
 
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He signed the SF 312 which states that the clearance holder will not participate in the negligent handling of classified information. That was obviously violated, so no excuse for him.
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:42 AM
 
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He signed the SF 312 which states that the clearance holder will not participate in the negligent handling of classified information. That was obviously violated, so no excuse for him.
Not so easy.

He participated in the illegal activity of monitoring the communications of millions of innocent Americans without due cause or warrant. He knew if he simply complained to is superiors (which he probably should have done), he would have been dismissed prosecuted if he spoke and he knew that the press/world would go nuts over the then unknown classified program.

That is what Kurt Vonnegut would have called a Catch-22
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