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Didn't Obama poo poo Romney's claim in a candidate debate that Russia was the biggest geopolitical threat to the US? Seems Obama said to Romney's claim regarding Russia something like, "The 1980s are calling." Romney has been proved right on most of his predictions.
Obama's quote: “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War's been over for 20 years.” –President Obama
The only reason Russia is the so called enemy in this is that they are (probably correctly) backing Assad. They are indiscriminately oming everyone that isn't the Syrian Army and are by most reports now responsible for the majority of civilian casualties. Heck, we are sharing bombing target information with the Russians in order to stay out of each other's way. What's much more disconcerting is the action of our allies Turkey and KSA. Turkey is doing business with ISIS and using the conflict as a way to bomb the Kurds, terrorist and non alike. And KSA is threatening to send in special forces to help oust Assad putting them in direct conflict with Iranian and Syrian forces in the battle against ISIS.
If ISIS is indeed enemy #1 then we need to be far more concerned with reigning in our Sunni allies than with Russia. That's why waring relations with Iran is so important. KSA will eventually fall and we're going to need a big counterbalance in the region.
Ah, nothing like America attempting to give us another boogieman.... Russia....again
The fearmongering these days is staggering..... from BOTH parties
Why can't we just leave other people alone and stop instigating
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Originally Posted by GreyKarast
because the United States is living at the expense of other countries. robbing them in different ways. that's why
The United States (and Canada) have done more to voluntarily abdicate from a dominant position in a globalizing economy (via the often-demonized free-trade agreements) than any other nations in history. The only parallels I can cite are the European powers' dismantling of their colonial possessions in the Fifties and Sixties -- another action which probably benefitted all concerned over the long run.
Yes they are...like most countries. That doesn’t change the fact that our NATO obligations mean we have to help out.
That is incorrect. NATO is not under obligation to assist Turkey if Turkey decides to voluntarily enter a combat engagement. NATO is a defensive alliance, if a member decides to attack someone, NATO is not obligated to help.
Oh yea, Turkey is now bombing a moderate opposition on Syria, the Kurds. I am waiting for the outrage from the US, and McCain to ramble off something about it.
By the way, ignite WW3? Please, a bit melodramatic. Why state Putin ignite it? Russia is in fact the only ones that have been invited by Syria, so everyone else should mind their business and stay out.
That is incorrect. NATO is not under obligation to assist Turkey if Turkey decides to voluntarily enter a combat engagement. NATO is a defensive alliance, if a member decides to attack someone, NATO is not obligated to help.
Aleppo is fifty miles from the Turkish border. It won't take much for a mistake to happen as the area inches closer to a full scale conflict between Turkey and Russia as Russia moves in to fill the void left by the United States. As the WaPo points out - "But more is at stake than the outcome of Syria’s war. The Aleppo offensive is affirming Moscow’s stature as a dominant regional power across the heart of the Middle East."
If Russia attacks Turkey, NATO is obliged to respond
Aleppo is fifty miles from the Turkish border. It won't take much for a mistake to happen as the area inches closer to a full scale conflict between Turkey and Russia as Russia moves in to fill the void left by the United States. As the WaPo points out - "But more is at stake than the outcome of Syria’s war. The Aleppo offensive is affirming Moscow’s stature as a dominant regional power across the heart of the Middle East."
If Russia attacks Turkey, NATO is obliged to respond
Russia will not attack Turkey unless Turkey initiates the conflict, in which NATO has no obligations. Even let's say there is a conflict, NATO does not mandate anything, a NATO member can choose how much of a response, if any, to give.
I doubt, hell it is ridiculous to even think, that a large war will happen over Syria and Turkey. As much as Russia would not want nuked, I doubt Europe and the US does as well. Hell, I do not think one dime should be spent over Syria and Turkey, let alone a war.
By the way, ignite WW3? Please, a bit melodramatic. Why state Putin ignite it? Russia is in fact the only ones that have been invited by Syria, so everyone else should mind their business and stay out.
Yes, the idea of a full WWIII would lead to nonexistence.
We have come closer to WWIII during the Cold War than we are currently, and we managed to avoid it, and trust me both Russia and the US are doing everything in their power to prevent such a situation, it is in nobodies best interest to go to a full fledged nuclear war. Turkey and Russia might have a small war, but the world leaders will do everything to contain it and stop it from getting worse. Turkey is any ways a thorn in NATOs and EUs side. They attacked Cyprus in 1970s and still hold a third of the island, they are suppressing Kurds domestically, and bombing Kurds in Syria. They buy ISIS oil and are becoming ever more autocratic, and have bad relations with the Greeks and Armenians. There's a bigger chance of turkey getting kicked out than NATO stepping in.
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