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According to this very interesting article written by an active duty military service man
First of all, I find it odd that these Riverine craft were operating on an excursion from Kuwait to Bahrain. Why were they not hugging close to the coast line? Now, I also find it perplexing to be told that the engines of the boats malfunctioned. If that were the case, an immediate call should have been made and at least, aerial surveillance and support should have been dispatched.
This whole episode is not in keeping with the Code of Conduct. But before we go and demonize a young naval officer, we need ask, did he take orders from someone else? There can be no doubt, after watching the video and the words spoken, there were countless violations of this code. Our honor calls upon us to fight, to resist, not surrender. The ramifications of not doing so means our honor is now being mocked and we’re seen as nothing more than cowards on our knees. Say what you wish, but that’s the perception in the Middle East, especially to our enemies.
Simply put, we were not at war with Iran, and the commanding officer of those boats had no immediate directive to perform any act that might change that fact.
According to this very interesting article written by an active duty military service man
You misspelled "war criminal" Have some respect, he earned that title.
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This whole episode is not in keeping with the Code of Conduct.
Says he man who was fined $5,000 for - breaking the UCMJ.
Anyway, he and everybody else who are sad this didn't end up with dead US sailors can go spill their own blood in pursuing their sacred honor. 10 flag-covered coffins didn't happen, and that's a good thing. Even if it hurts Allen West in the feels, I think the nation is better off.
Simply put, we were not at war with Iran, and the commanding officer of those boats had no immediate directive to perform any act that might change that fact.
well, I don't know why the bolded matters?
My question is simply this
if an American vessel breaks down at sea, or strays from course, under those operational conditions, there are a lot of American assets that would both notice the problem and be able to offer relief.
Yet no one did.
We’re supposed to believe nobody radioed a couple of inexplicably lost boats to ask where they were going? When one of them supposedly broke down, a carrier battle group had no means to come to their assistance?
You misspelled "war criminal" Have some respect, he earned that title.
Says he man who was fined $5,000 for - breaking the UCMJ.
Anyway, he and everybody else who are sad this didn't end up with dead US sailors can go spill their own blood in pursuing their sacred honor. 10 flag-covered coffins didn't happen, and that's a good thing. Even if it hurts Allen West in the feels, I think the nation is better off.
I didn't say anything about war criminal. Who earned the title? What are you talking about? Don't know what you are referring to.
I was simply posting a link written by allen west. If you don't agree with him, we can discuss.
I personally am glad these sailors are safe. So don't even go there.
But if you read his whole article, he didn't say these sailors should be ashamed.
It's obvious he's finding fault in their actions. I find it ironic that he mentions 3 U.S. servicemen who were captured by Yugoslavia back in the 90's, but doesn't venture too far into how the military or government handled that incident.
You misspelled "war criminal" Have some respect, he earned that title.
Says he man who was fined $5,000 for - breaking the UCMJ.
Anyway, he and everybody else who are sad this didn't end up with dead US sailors can go spill their own blood in pursuing their sacred honor. 10 flag-covered coffins didn't happen, and that's a good thing. Even if it hurts Allen West in the feels, I think the nation is better off.
You meant "said"
Anyway, you need to read his article, He said
This whole episode is not in keeping with the Code of Conduct. But before we go and demonize a young naval officer, we need ask, did he take orders from someone else? There can be no doubt, after watching the video and the words spoken, there were countless violations of this code. Our honor calls upon us to fight, to resist, not surrender. The ramifications of not doing so means our honor is now being mocked and we’re seen as nothing more than cowards on our knees. Say what you wish, but that’s the perception in the Middle East, especially to our enemies.
why do you keep on calling people idiot and a nutcase?
are you capable of a civilized conversation.
well,
Because anyone to even suggest or think like this is; what would you call people who state we should just wander into foreign territories and start firing on countries who we are not at war/combat engagement with?
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981
Allen west posted
Now, I also find it perplexing to be told that the engines of the boats malfunctioned. If that were the case, an immediate call should have been made and at least, aerial surveillance and support should have been dispatched. The next thing would have been immediate dispatching of a recovery vessel to support these two boats. Regardless of one or two boat engines malfunctioning, what should have happened after a distress call was all hands manning the boat weapons. They should have been in an immediate defensive posture to secure themselves until recovery was complete — or they were back underway.
Your explanation to that is.... ?
No one said both boats malfunctioned. Even if this was the case, it is not an emergency or anything if a damn boat breaks. No immediate call is needed unless they are unable to get back underway. Once they figured they were in Iranian territory and being approached, who knows if a call went out or not, know one has stated anything yet. The area is not some warzone with a rapid response crew and stuff just hovering and waiting while others do things. All in all, the transit through there is no different than anywhere else other than the navigation hazards.
Since it is not a combat zone, there is no need to man weapons or any of that nonsense. Additionally something everyone keeps not understanding; we were in Iranian waters, I do not see what is so difficult to understand about this. This is like giving the ok for a Russian plane drifting into US territory to shoot down a US plane, absolutely ridiculous suggestion.
West is so far off the SOP and ROE and general basic boat operations that it is difficult to even know where to start.
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