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Old 02-13-2016, 05:34 AM
 
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I didn't realize President Obama was CEO, CFO or on the board of Carrier or if he had any say so in the dealings of American corporations. But thanks regardless, for the right wing nut website you posted.
He does have a say on taxation, tariffs and trade agreements.

But sure, I'll blame Bush anyway...
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:36 AM
 
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Which jobs are we suppose to retrain for? This is quite the standard boiler plate answer with no real information provided. Are other jobs with training immune from being done in 3rd world countries? Do you mean programmers dont exist in 3rd world countries?

Also another thing incorrect with your post is saying Americans dont have to pay inflated prices because this work is being done in 3rd world countries. This is a fallacy, the reason why this is done is for more profit not for lower prices.

Youre right regarding conservatives being champions of the free market. they never met a trade agreement they didnt love. The more its screws the middle class the better. Yet they whine about illegal immigration? Hypocrites.
The new agreement was pushed by Obama. You (liberals) voted for Obama. Don't use the cop out like so many do about Bush (he wasn't a real Conservative).

Unfortunately, most do not care what position a politician takes, only the letter after their name.
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:39 AM
 
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Lol. I love the pinto bean spin. How is this Obama's fault or doing or is the article just good for the click bait/ad revenue.

Pinto bean recovery?!

Care to post any articles on the tens of billions of infrastructure being built along the gulf coast to take advantage of our oil and gas infrastructure?
Obama picked one of the biggest jobs exporters in our country as his jobs czar. Jeffrey Immelt. When you do this, what message do you suppose you are sending to business?
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Old 02-13-2016, 05:55 AM
 
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fisheye, you keep bringing up that durable urban legend that Ford gave his workers "living wages" so they "could afford to buy his own cars." That's a progressive urban myth.

He calculated his wage increases to compete in a tight labor market for workers in which he hoped to expect low turnover at his shops.
"I will build a motor car for the great multitude...constructed of the best materials, by the best men to be hired, after the simplest designs that modern engineering can devise...so low in price that no man making a good salary will be unable to own one-and enjoy with his family the blessing of hours of pleasure in God's great open spaces."

6/6/1913

Henry Ford knew that the best workers wouldn't work for nothing and that those who work for nothing could not afford his product.

"'The country is ready for the five-day week,' says Mr. Ford. 'It is bound to come through all industry. Without it the country will not be able to absorb its production & stay prosperous. The industry of this country could not long exist if factories generally went back to the ten-hour day, because people would not have the leisure, the desire, or the means to consume the goods produced...Just as the eight-hour day opened our way to prosperity in America, so the five-day week will open our way to still greater prosperity.

Of course there is a humanitarian side to the shorter day & the shorter week, but dwelling on that side is likely to lead one astray, for leisure may be put before work instead of after it-where it belongs. Twenty years ago, introducing the eight-hour day generally would have made for poverty & not for wealth. Five years ago, introducing the five day week would have had the same result. The hours of labor are regulated by the organization of work and by nothing else. It is the rise of the great corporation with its ability to use power, to use accurately designed machinery, & generally to lessen the wastes in time, material & human energy that made it possible to bring in the eight hour day.

Further progress along the same lines has made it possible to bring in the five day week...It is high time to rid ourselves of the notion that leisure for workmen is either 'lost time' or a class privilege. This is not to say that leisure may not be dangerous. Everything good may also be dangerous-if mishandled. When we put our $5 minimum wage for an eight-hour day into effect in 1913, we had to watch many of our men to see what use they made of their spare time & money. We found a few men taking on extra jobs--some worked the dayshift with us & the night shift in another factory. Some of the men squandered their extra pay. Others banked the surplus money & went on living just as they had lived before. But in a few years all adjusted themselves & our supervision was less needed.

There is, of course, a profound difference between leisure & idleness. Nor must we confound leisure with shiftlessness. Our people are perfectly capable of using to good advantage the time that they have off, after work. That has already been demonstrated to us by our experiments during the last several years. We find that the men come back after a two-day holiday so fresh & keen that they are able to put their minds as well as their hands to work. We are not of those who claim to be able to tell people how to use their spare time.

We think that, given the chance, people will become more expert in the effective use of their leisure time. & they are being given the chance. The influence of leisure on consumption makes the short day & the short week necessary. The people who consume the bulk of goods are the people who make them...With the decrease of the length of the working day in the United States an increase of production has come because better methods of disposing of men's time have been accompanied by better methods of disposing of their energy. Thus one good has brought another...Of positive industrial value is leisure because it increases consumption.

Where people work longest & with least leisure they buy the fewest goods. Businesses the exchange of goods. Goods are bought only as they meet needs. Needs are filled only as they are felt. They make themselves felt largely in leisure hours. The man who worked fifteen & sixteen hours a day desired only a corner to lie in &, now & then, a bit of food. He had no time to cultivate new needs, hence he had only the most primitive. When, in American industry, women were released from the necessity of factory work & became buyers for their families, business began to expand. The American housewife, as household purchasing agent, has both leisure & money, & the former has been just as important as the latter in the development of American business.

The five day week simply carries this further. The people who work only five days a week will consume more goods than the people who work six days a week. People who have more leisure must have more clothes. The eat a greater variety of food. They require more transportation facilities. This increased consumption will require greater production an we now have. Instead of business being allowed up because people are 'off work', it will be speeded up because people consume more in their leisure than in their working time. This will lead to more work. & this to more work. & this to more wages. Thus the result of more leisure is the exact opposite of what most people might suppose. Management must keep pace with this new demand--& it will. It is the introduction of power and machinery by manufacturers that has med the shorter day & the shorter week possible. That is a fact which working men must not forget. The eight-hour day was not the ultimate, & neither is the five day week. It is enough, however, to manage what we are equipped to manage and to let the future take care of itself. It will anyway. That is its habit. But probably the next move will come in the direction of shortening the day rather than the week."


10/15/26

While Henry Ford had an overgrown sense of his self worth when broken down he understood what had to be done.
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:00 AM
 
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So I repeated a 'myth' and acknowledged I was wrong; what are you going to do: shoot me! It was only one sentence in my post; not my whole post or it's contents. I don't mind a correction.
Ford's actions were not born out of altruism as he did it to help himself as much as his workers but he also did indeed understand that for him to grow his employee's had to also do better.

A couple actual quotes are above.
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:04 AM
 
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Looks like unions priced themselves out of a job.
It isn't just union jobs leaving. It's kind of sad when those like yourself are O.K. with the weakening of the country over your dislike of unions. In the end you lose also.
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:04 AM
 
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China's MFN status was restored in the 70's with renewal every three years.
I am sorry.

But Clinton's actions directly led to a massive ballooning of oursourcing and our trade deficit.

Clinton pushed China into the WTO.

Clinton worked out a dramatically comprehensive trade deal that resulted in the above.



Any Democrat who insists that Clinton was good for our economy while detesting trade deficits and outsorcing is either ignorant or a liar.

Clinton Signs China Trade Bill into Law - ABC News

China's Entry Into The WTO 10 Years Later Is Not What President Clinton Promised

The High Cost of the China-WTO Deal: Administration’s own analysis suggests spiraling deficits, job losses | Economic Policy Institute

China - Trade With China - Expectations Vs. Reality | Is Wal-Mart Good For America? | FRONTLINE | PBS

Bill Clinton's True Legacy: Outsourcer-in-Chief
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:06 AM
 
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US needs manufacturing jobs.

This isn't some boutique country like Switzerland or Hong Kong.

There are 320 million people here.
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:17 AM
 
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George H. W. Bush signed, negotiated and fast tracked it.

Both sides of the table are feasting on the dying middle class American worker.
Sorry, you CAN'T have it BOTH ways.

Many on the left STILL say Iraq was ALL Bush's, ignoring the quotes from the top dems DURING the Clinton admin.

They ignore that Clinton SIGNED the regime change for Iraq bill.

The DEM Senate Majority Leader CO,SPONSORED the bill giving Bush the authority to invade Iraq.

As we know with harry reid, the SML CAN KILL any bill.

The dems accept NO responsibility. They holler, "Bush gave the order"

So, the same goes here. CLINTON SIGNED IT THEREFORE IT IS HIS.

It doesn't matter WHAT H. Bush did. Clinton could have vetoed it. He DIDN'T
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:19 AM
 
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well, many ppl on this very forum believe a company has the right to operate however they want to in order to maximize profits.
That is the typical GROSS exaggeration claim.
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