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Old 02-14-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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I shall quickly address the Judge Bork event.

One, while Democrats (especially Senator Edward Kennedy) were utterly opposed to Judge Bork, they did not 'delay, delay, delay'. President Reagan nominated Judge Bork on July 1, 1987, and the Senate voted on his nomination on October 23rd (after rather lengthy hearings).

While I did not think Judge Bork was a very good choice, I did think the Senate should have approved him, all in line with my thought that nominees made by a President should be approved, unless there is a very good, articulate reason not to. Simply disagreeing with their legal philosophy is not, I think, a good reason.

However, one factor was that when the political pressure got 'hot', even President Reagan began to back off, much to Bork's disappointment (as he discussed in his book). Another factor was that many were still upset over Bork's actions in the Saturday Night Massacre during the Nixon administration (however, Mr. Bork was simply carrying out orders to fire Mr. Cox and accept the others resignations).

To date there have been 12 such nominees voted on and rejected by the Senate (not counting those nominees whom withdrew their name), dating back to George Washington. To say that the "Democrats" began the process with Judge Bork is misleading, at best.

One must also recall that many people, over the years, appointed to the high court often surprise the President that nominated them. We have had 'conservative' judges become liberal Justices, and vise versa. It is indeed a different view from the top of the mountain.
I agree 100%. I have always though that Presidential nominees - court or cabinet posts - should be approved unless they are found to be unqualified or unethical. This should not be an ideological battle. Even though I really disliked Bork, I thought he should have been approved.

But that's not how its been for some time now. Obama should nominate someone, but realistically the Senate is not likely to confirm. So we won't have a 9th Justice for at least a year. If a Dem wins the election, there will be another lengthy fight next year and the seat might be vacant for a long, long time. But its all good for Dems, because in the meantime there is a liberal majority.
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Has there ever been a president who had declined to make an nomination just to be nice to his political opponents?
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:21 AM
 
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If the GOP effectively blocks a nomination to the supreme court, they will also effectively disable the SCOTUS to go along with their own obstructed congress. This will effectively cause an imbalance of power.......... to that of the office of the president.
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Sometimes you just have to play the hand you are dealt.
"Elections have consequences" and the hand Obama was dealt is to deal with a Republican House and Senate that he's spent the last 7 years antagonizing. Maybe if Obama hadn't come of the gate doing everything he could to divide the country and push his agenda instead of being the president for EVERYONE, not just those who voted for him, his party wouldn't have taken an epic beating and he'd be able to get his nominee approved. As it stands he deserves to have his appointee blocked and the next presidents choice selected.
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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That has never been applied to appointments to the Supreme Court. If you can provide an example of when it has been done, I would be glad to read it.

Added: I see you cite Potter Stewart. I shall read it.

Added: by God, you are right. It was a recess appointment. I had not known that.

I had not realized that President Eisenhower made THREE such recess appointments. All three, of course, eventually had to be confirmed by the Senate.

I found this article interesting:

Recess Appointments


Note that it says that after Ike's third such appointment, the Senate Judiciary Committee issued a 'report' saying that such recess appointments should only be made under 'unusual circumstances'. While not the force of law, it appears every President since then has abided.

Yes, and there have been others.

Supreme Court appointment - What should happen-appointments.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appoin..._United_States
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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What should happen?

Lately when a person of a certain demographic steps down, certain liberals say that the next justice must come from the same certain demographic.

So, I am assuming there will be a push to name another Italian-American to the court to fill Scalia's role.
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Apparently, Reid thought there was sufficient value in permanently delaying over 300 House bills.
Is that the same Harry Reid who executed the nuclear option to undermine precedent and pack the first circuit court? The same Harry Reid who undertook unprecedented "pro forma" sessions to prevent president Bush from making recess appointments?
Why, yes... Yes, it is.
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:34 AM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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Scalia's wife learned of her husband's death when she heard McConnell's statements on the news.
And that is a disgrace regardless of what you think of the mans judicial rulings, I am sorry the family was treated in this manner.
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:37 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I didn't say it wasn't. I was basically saying they would be foolish to go that route, but hey that's there right.
Unless you have two accounts, I don't think I was responding to you. But, no, they wouldn't be foolish. They would be smart. They are not supposed to just rubber stamp a President, and since they were elected by a majority who are Republicans, they ought to be thinking of what the American people who elected them want. And right now, the Obama administration, especially Obama, is in very poor standing with the American people. Why should they allow Obama to appoint a judge? There is absolutely no reason to.

Hear, read this: Articles: Don't Let Obama Fill Scalia's Seat

I think this writer sums it up pretty well, and makes the case.
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Old 02-14-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obama is going to put forth a highly qualified nominee
Oh, please. Like Kagan, who should have recused herself in the Obamacare cases because she was solicitor general during the passage of the law, but proved herself to be unethical when she didn't? No thanks.
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