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Old 02-16-2016, 11:51 PM
 
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Yes, the bolded IS true. You don't have to do either, BUT… by not putting up the "no guns in here" sign, it could be said that you're enjoying a type of herd immunity, where you reap the benefit of your neighbors who do own guns and keep the criminals wary of trying anything.

That said, it cuts both ways as to those who WOULD advertise that their home has guns and people willing to use them. Unless you're a shut-in, at some point you'll leave your house and that's when thieves will break in and take your hard-earned belongings, including your weapons.



One, I hope if she'd killed him, she would have gotten a medal instead of incarceration.

Two, if she'd killed him, she just saved his future victims from harm and possibly their lives.

People, people die EVERY DAY. Some die from old age, some from illness, some because of a freak accident. Those peoples' lives should be mourned, celebrated, remembered. Criminals dying in their "line of work?" I suggest a slow clap.
No she wouldn't. She would be in jail
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:54 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I'm going to have to disagree, I think criminals are more afraid of police. A cop has the authority to detain a person. If a criminal matched a description, the cop could stop him, ID him, check him for weapons or crack, does he have a warrant, is his car stolen. All things that could land him in jail. A regular gun carrying civilian can't do that.



you can disagree all you want, a cop can detain all they want, but the cops are held to a higher standard in court when arresting a person who is thought to have committed a felony. the cops are also almost never there when a crime is being committed, the individual citizen is, and the individual citizen is more like to shoot to stop the threat when confronted by the crook than a cop is.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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No she wouldn't. She would be in jail
Why? I'd genuinely like to know.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:41 AM
 
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Yes, the bolded IS true. You don't have to do either, BUT… by not putting up the "no guns in here" sign, it could be said that you're enjoying a type of herd immunity, where you reap the benefit of your neighbors who do own guns and keep the criminals wary of trying anything.

That said, it cuts both ways as to those who WOULD advertise that their home has guns and people willing to use them. Unless you're a shut-in, at some point you'll leave your house and that's when thieves will break in and take your hard-earned belongings, including your weapons.
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You must live in a pretty bad area to be constantly worried about break ins. We live in a good and safe low crime area. Home burglaries are quite rare.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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"Honestly, how many armed citizens have prevented crimes."
I think in the same breath you need to ask, "How many people or members of their household with accessible guns have shot family members, themselves or others who were not committing a crime".


But back to the original post,

Most gun free zones have little to reward a criminal, so unless it is purely a random occurrence, or a on the spot incident, they would not spend the extra time researching which areas are gun free.
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Old 02-17-2016, 07:01 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You must live in a pretty bad area to be constantly worried about break ins. We live in a good and safe low crime area. Home burglaries are quite rare.


You are so far north, the amount of illegal aliens in your area, is lower than areas south of you.
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Old 02-17-2016, 07:06 AM
 
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I think in the same breath you need to ask, "How many people or members of their household with accessible guns have shot family members, themselves or others who were not committing a crime".


But back to the original post,

Most gun free zones have little to reward a criminal, so unless it is purely a random occurrence, or a on the spot incident, they would not spend the extra time researching which areas are gun free.
There have been MANY interviews and polls of criminals and they almost ALL say they the try as hard as they can to AVOID breaking into a house of they think it is armed.

If your house is in a gun free zone, and gun free zones go BEYOND the physical property lines of schools, you are MORE likely to have break in then a house OUTSIDE a gun free zone.

There have been more "mass" shootings in gun free zones, schools, gov't property, etc., then areas without them.
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Old 02-17-2016, 07:13 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Many cops couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, if they were in the barn.
Remember those two women delivering papers that got shot up? That truck looked like swiss cheese.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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There have been MANY interviews and polls of criminals and they almost ALL say they the try as hard as they can to AVOID breaking into a house of they think it is armed.

If your house is in a gun free zone, and gun free zones go BEYOND the physical property lines of schools, you are MORE likely to have break in then a house OUTSIDE a gun free zone.

There have been more "mass" shootings in gun free zones, schools, gov't property, etc., then areas without them.

How would a criminal know if a house is armed? A NRA sticker on your car?
Those who randomly break in to homes, rarely plan, so of course they would rather go to a house thats not armed. But how are they to know. They don't, unless they are friends of yours.

Some studies have shown that that higher levels of gun ownership in an area actually led to more burglaries. More guns equals more things of value to steal. “A gun-rich community provides more lucrative burglary opportunities than one where guns are more sparse”

I have looked at the numbers of breakins in a couple of cities, inside and outside of the zones. There was no difference in the number of break-ins in either area, in similar residential (economic) conditions.

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Old 02-17-2016, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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How would a criminal know if a house is armed? A NRA sticker on your car?
You could put this in your yard and on your car if you like.





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Those who randomly break in to homes, rarely plan, so of course they would rather go to a house thats not armed. But how are they to know. They don't, unless they are friends of yours.
Wow! This is just all kinds of false! Most break-ins are by folks who have spent a lot of time casing houses and neighborhoods. They're watching for patterns of when folks aren't home and yes they're certainly looking for indications of whether the homeowner is armed. Just because he or she isn't normally at home at a certain time doesn't mean they won't be home unexpectedly. Since you might catch the homeowners at home unexpectedly, of course you'd rather minimize the chance of getting shot by them. If you know that house A is unarmed and house B is armed, house A is your safer bet. After that, you move on to another less risky prospect.

Not saying that guns are an all-powerful deterrent, but it is a deterrent. Some break-ins are by amateurs, mentally ill folks or just your general idiot who didn't plan. Those sorts tend to get caught quickly. It's the more intelligent methodical burglar (or stalker or rapist, etc) that you have to worry about more.

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I have looked at the numbers of break ins in a couple of cities, inside and outside of the zones. There was no difference in the number of break-ins in either area, in similar residential conditions.
How can there be such a thing as an entire neighborhood that is a gun-free zone? That's a direct violation of 2nd Amendment rights of the residents. Anyways, if such a thing really actually exists, then please post a source for that and the relative break in numbers.

Somebody mentioned that if people know you have guns they'll break into your house and steal them. Apparently, those people never heard of gun safes. Newer tech is already available with things like fingerprint ID that locks the trigger for everyone not pre-authorized to shoot the gun. There's a lot of things that make stealing some stranger's guns a lousy prospect. And once again, there's the risk of catching them at home unexpected and getting shot. Safer to just buy on the black market.
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