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Old 02-16-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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During President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union, he said the following:

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We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.”[3] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ5bx9AyI4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

How does this square with your view of him? Do you support his ideas, or do you consider him a crazy commie lover like some in his time accused him of being?

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Old 02-16-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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One of the worst along with Wilson and Lincoln.
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PCALMike View Post
During President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union, he said the following:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ5bx9AyI4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

How does this square with your view of him? Do you support his ideas, or do you consider him a crazy commie lover like some in his time accused him of being?
This is why if I had a time machine only good for a single trip to the past, I would use it to save FDR's life so he could have served another term and gotten The Second Bill of Rights through.

The Second Bill of Rights would have preserved the middle class for all time. It'd not matter if we had nasty Republicans in office or not, with their twisted desire to take away all the rights we've worked so hard to achieve - the Second Bill of Rights would have preserved all those high-paying jobs and low-cost higher education for - you got it - all time. We'd never have to fret about declining wages due to "outsourcing" and "global competition" for the Second Bill of Rights would have prevented these laws from being passed in the first place. We'd not have to suffer the indignity of a corporate-run government chipping away at our standard of living, for the Second Bill of Rights would have nipped this right in the bud.

FDR was a gift from God, and if it wasn't for him, we'd be a sleepy provincial backwater of no significance on the world stage, with the standard of living to match. He's the one who pulled us from the brink of total economic destruction, and putting us on a solid enough footing to defeat Germany and Japan in WWII. I would go so far as to say that if it wasn't for Franklin D Roosevelt, we'd not have a United States today.

I hope and pray that we get an FDR Part II sometime in my lifetime, to finish the job FDR started, so that this country can not only survive, but actually prosper in the decades and centuries ahead.

I hope and pray...
I hope and pray...
I hope and pray...
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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During President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union, he said the following:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ5bx9AyI4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

How does this square with your view of him? Do you support his ideas, or do you consider him a crazy commie lover like some in his time accused him of being?


Sounds like a Karl Marx speech.

I believe FDR damaged this nation greatly.

Years before he held quite a different view.
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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It is always astonishing to me how present-day posters assume that their parents, grandparents, etc., were idiots compared to themselves.


It seems pretty obvious that FDR was popular, and generally considered a good President. Not only did my mother (now 88) like him (and she voted for Goldwater in 1964), but many other (now deceased) members of my family did. Plus, President Roosevelt was elected to the Presidency on four occasions. To now claim that he was a horrible president seems, well, egotistical on some level. I simply doubt that the American people were bamboozled four times. They liked what Mr. Roosevelt did.


However, I guess that is rather normal behavior among the idle. I am continually amazed at how some of the 'younger generation', who deem themselves 'conservative', speak slightingly of Ronald Reagan, although they were not alive (or very young) during his eight years. "We are wise", they seem to claim, "and voters in the 1980s were dullards".


Pity that those with such knowledge on how the world should be do not seek public office themselves.


Such is life.


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Old 02-16-2016, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Those of whom who speak negatively of FDR, where in the heck did you go to school? I learnt at a very young age that he was a savior of the UDA in the 20th Century, and he did more good than any other president who came after him.

So, what's the deal with the negative vibes against this man, who did so much good for this country?
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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FDR saddled working Americans with a bunch of bankrupt schemes that they are still forced to pay into.
Savior? lol govt school does teach that though
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Houston
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This is why if I had a time machine only good for a single trip to the past, I would use it to save FDR's life so he could have served another term and gotten The Second Bill of Rights through.

The Second Bill of Rights would have preserved the middle class for all time. It'd not matter if we had nasty Republicans in office or not, with their twisted desire to take away all the rights we've worked so hard to achieve - the Second Bill of Rights would have preserved all those high-paying jobs and low-cost higher education for - you got it - all time. We'd never have to fret about declining wages due to "outsourcing" and "global competition" for the Second Bill of Rights would have prevented these laws from being passed in the first place. We'd not have to suffer the indignity of a corporate-run government chipping away at our standard of living, for the Second Bill of Rights would have nipped this right in the bud.

FDR was a gift from God, and if it wasn't for him, we'd be a sleepy provincial backwater of no significance on the world stage, with the standard of living to match. He's the one who pulled us from the brink of total economic destruction, and putting us on a solid enough footing to defeat Germany and Japan in WWII. I would go so far as to say that if it wasn't for Franklin D Roosevelt, we'd not have a United States today.

I hope and pray that we get an FDR Part II sometime in my lifetime, to finish the job FDR started, so that this country can not only survive, but actually prosper in the decades and centuries ahead.

I hope and pray...
I hope and pray...
I hope and pray...
Yes, of course. All government has to do is put words on paper and magically we are transferred to a utopia.
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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Those of whom who speak negatively of FDR, where in the heck did you go to school? I learnt at a very young age that he was a savior of the UDA in the 20th Century, and he did more good than any other president who came after him.

So, what's the deal with the negative vibes against this man, who did so much good for this country?
Did you that from a union teacher? Do you ever question what you are taught?
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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It is always astonishing to me how present-day posters assume that their parents, grandparents, etc., were idiots compared to themselves.


It seems pretty obvious that FDR was popular, and generally considered a good President. Not only did my mother (now 88) like him (and she voted for Goldwater in 1964), but many other (now deceased) members of my family did. Plus, President Roosevelt was elected to the Presidency on four occasions. To now claim that he was a horrible president seems, well, egotistical on some level. I simply doubt that the American people were bamboozled four times. They liked what Mr. Roosevelt did.


However, I guess that is rather normal behavior among the idle. I am continually amazed at how some of the 'younger generation', who deem themselves 'conservative', speak slightingly of Ronald Reagan, although they were not alive (or very young) during his eight years. "We are wise", they seem to claim, "and voters in the 1980s were dullards".
To add even more irony to that, many of them live in areas of the country that would still be economic backwaters without FDR's policies. The TVA, WPA, and CCC were responsible for lifting millions of poor Americans in Appalachia, the rural midwest and south out of grinding poverty. Now so many of the people in those areas, who benefited from these programs and never actually experienced the extreme poverty of their parents and grandparents, are the loudest voices to decry them as socialist. The lack of self awareness about where they came from and the struggle to deliver them from those conditions is staggering.
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