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Old 02-17-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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Guy could have responded to the 2007 lawsuit and subsequent orders for court appearances and worked it out.

Instead he chose to portray himself as a victim.
We are all being victimized ... though some of us apparently can't see it.

As MLK once said, an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere ...

And as I've said before, while it is true that the man could have avoided this by complying, does not make the government's action legitimate.

This is like blaming a robbery victim for being stupid enough to walk alone at night in a bad part of town. He could have avoided the robbery, but does that legitimize the action of the robber,?

I've read some dastardly things about the rapes occurring in Europe, where officials are instructing their female citizens to not provoke the rapists by wearing provocative attire.

It's the same defunct way of thinking.
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Trieste
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Not really capitalism ... Crony capitalism, which is just another form of fascism .... or communism.

What many fail to understand is there really isn't much difference ... as fascism is simply where there is a joining of corporate and government who work hand in hand, while communism infers that the state owns and operates all manners of production. But in either case, the common man is subject to the whim of the power structure, be it corporate or government, it makes little difference as the outcome is the same.
no way
Fascism means the interest of the State, the Nation, the community etc prevails over the interests of a few, of say a private company, exactly the opposite of capitalism
and there's no difference between capitalism and croony capitalism
it's a matter of fact that the richer one becomes the more he will distorts the market and fair competition, it's mathematical
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:58 PM
 
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Contempt of Court=how dare you not bow down to your master.
So I guess you're OK with someone signing a legal document to pay, then when they don't you just throw your hands up and call it a day?
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Contempt of Court=how dare you not bow down to your master.
That is our legal system. Like it or leave.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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I don't have huge sympathy for the guy because he's had almost 30 years to pay such a small amount. Thirty.years.

That said, I thought this recent article was very interesting. Americans are going to Germany for the reduced costs of a college education and liking it so much half are staying. And Germany is fine with it because they are getting an educated workforce.

Why American Students Are Flocking to Germany
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:55 PM
 
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So I guess you're OK with someone signing a legal document to pay, then when they don't you just throw your hands up and call it a day?
There are a lot of things I'm not OK with, nevertheless, this is how our financial and civil law system works.

When it comes to loans, lenders have credit bureaus to anaylze to measure credit risk, and decide to lend or not lend, as well as attach interest rates appropriate to the risk. Sometimes borrowers default for many reasons .... Illness, loss of job, whatever. It happens. If you are asking me if I think it's OK, that's an absurd question. If you are asking me if a person should go to jail for an unpaid debt, I say HELL NO, because in this world, there are no greater crooks than those inside our financial institutions, and they are making a killing, lending money they don't have, and collecting interest on monies that never existed. Within these circles, a percentage of defaults are expected, and the costs of those already calculated and accounted for. In the case of home mortgage loans, you wouldn't believe what is actually going on.

When it comes to student loans, I'm even more dubious, because these gangsters are deliberately indebting youngsters with amounts they know will create hardship for years if they actually can pay, with others, they know won't be able to pay.

You need to understand how this actually works, because if you did, you would likely have to change your opinion.

Just briefly, the availability of these loans, and the amounts made available is what facilitates the outrageous tuition rates we now see. Otherwise, in absence of this easy to get student loan system, colleges couldnt charge so much, and would have to keep rates more affordable, inline with incomes.

This same formula is used to create housing bubbles, and on a different level, healthcare costs are so outrageous because of insurance, which creates large pools of money that the industry can tap into at much higher rates than they could if patients paid out of pocket, like was common 40 years ago.

The bottom line is, I'll never be in favor of punitive measures against those in debt who can't pay, when the corrupt at the top are above the law.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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no way
Fascism means the interest of the State, the Nation, the community etc prevails over the interests of a few, of say a private company, exactly the opposite of capitalism
and there's no difference between capitalism and croony capitalism
it's a matter of fact that the richer one becomes the more he will distorts the market and fair competition, it's mathematical
Do yourself a favor, and do not rely on Wikipedia for information.

Try this:

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

I know you will see many references that claim that Fascism is "rightwing", but that's just nonsense. The reality is, as stated in the link above, Fascism is just Socialism with a Capitalist veneer. Not unlike what we are dealing with today in the United States, and much of the West.

Communism, is the end result of both Fascism and Socialism at it's lowest and most totalitarian point, and all three are most certainly left wing. The only proof of that that you need is your own liberal left ideas in which you demand government intervention in every aspect of life, to include forcing a Christian Baker to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, as just one example. Your side wants government to " regulate" (control,) everything, from the type of cars we can drive, to what is taught in kindergarten classes nationwide. You want forced medical insurance, forced medical treatments (mandatory vaccinations) ... with that in mind, what then separates you from hard core communism/totalitarianism ? NOTHING!!!

You support the EPA and BLM to dictate what a property owner can do on their own land, which is tantamount to eliminating private property altogether ... another major element of Communist ideals ... you believe in the false idea of "federal land" like the rest of you statist progressives, which is pure communist dogma. So what separates you from Mao or Stalin? Not a thing!

As for Capitalism ... Crony capitalism is really, as stated earlier about Fascism, just socialism with a capitalist veneer. True Free Market Capitalism has never existed in yours or my lifetime, because the "Capital" is controlled by a monopolistic single source, the Federal Reserve. And you can't have truly free markets when the lifeblood of those markets are controlled by a monopoly.

That's enough to digest in one sitting, but the next time someone calls you a leftwing totalitarian socialist-communist, don't get offended. Either admit what you are or change your views to better reflect what you want to be.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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In Europe people go to college for free.

In the U.S. people take on massive student loan debt 'earning' worthless degrees from semi-fraudulent for profit schools. Can never bankrupt the loans. And now apparently they can be arrested by armed thugs for non-payment.

Tell me again about the horrors of socialism...
IT IS NOT FREE!!! Someone pays for it.

And the US Marshal service is far from being a group of armed thugs. You don't like it, move to Europe. They love socialists over there.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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In Europe people go to college for free.

In the U.S. people take on massive student loan debt 'earning' worthless degrees from semi-fraudulent for profit schools. Can never bankrupt the loans. And now apparently they can be arrested by armed thugs for non-payment.

Tell me again about the horrors of socialism...
There's that "free" word again coming from the group that doesn't pay taxes.
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Old 02-18-2016, 03:02 AM
 
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A case of reverse snobbism?

Using Harvard with a 4% acceptance rate as an example, 70% of students qualify for financial aid.

The Greek and party life is a state school thing far more so than the Ive League.

Too bad not every student with financial need gets financial aid.
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