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Old 02-17-2016, 05:52 PM
 
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Apple is hindering prosecution by not creating the software. Have Tim Cook face a contempt of court prison term until he does. Apple can spin it anyway they want to but they are helping terrorists not be tried for their crime and future terror attacks to be better prepared. The rights of the many, supersede the rights of the few.
Thats 100% correct, the rights of many (ie non terrorists with the right to privacy) supersede the rights of the few (ie. terrorists) so there is no reason to permanently destroy the security structure of a device held by 10s of millions of people just because we have a few criminals taking advantage of it.

Also, here is a highly likely scenario:

1. Apple gives in or is forced to do this
2. The government uses the brute force technology to crack the password
3. Government agents open the text app....and it has its own password / security that cant be cracked
4. Now what? We have compromised everyone's right to privacy literally for nothing
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Another reason why I will never buy an Apple product. Terrorist sympathizers.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Apple is hindering prosecution by not creating the software.
Which prosecution are they hindering, the perps are dead, we're not going to prosecute dead people are we?

More pertinently how is something that does not exist, nor has ever existed's lack of existence hindering an investigation?

Apple does not have the decryption keys for this device and never did, nor do they have means to reverse engineer them. What they are doing is not providing something they don't have which seems to me to be eminently reasonable. Like banks don't provide financial records for people who do not bank with them, and automotive companies don't provide trip data on cars that don't have tracking devices and services on.

I cannot see how any information on the phone would be useful anyway. Communications will already be known when, who, and how long. The only small chance is that there might be some photograph on the phone, but terrorists are not known for their American Islamic Jihadi Annual Jamboree's (and when they have them there is a strict no camera policy)
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Thats 100% correct, the rights of many (ie non terrorists with the right to privacy) supersede the rights of the few (ie. terrorists) so there is no reason to permanently destroy the security structure of a device held by 10s of millions of people just because we have a few criminals taking advantage of it.

Also, here is a highly likely scenario:

1. Apple gives in or is forced to do this
2. The government uses the brute force technology to crack the password
3. Government agents open the text app....and it has its own password / security that cant be cracked
4. Now what? We have compromised everyone's right to privacy literally for nothing
Well what does the FBI want from that iPhone ? Email, text, social media and phone calls are already available to them (if it goes out on the net the NSA can grab it). Whatever they "think" they are looking for is local only on that iPhone which is the county government's property as that was his work phone.

What terrorist would use a government owned and issued work phone for terrorist things ?
Both of them had their own cellphones which they smashed up and threw in the garbage.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:27 PM
 
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Well what does the FBI want from that iPhone ? Email, text, social media and phone calls are already available to them (if it goes out on the net the NSA can grab it). Whatever they "think" they are looking for is local only on that iPhone which is the county government's property as that was his work phone.

What terrorist would use a government owned and issued work phone for terrorist things ?
Both of them had their own cellphones which they smashed up and threw in the garbage.
Agreed, not sure why people are so blind to the logic behind this...I can almost accept the philosophical disagreement on freedom mindset vs the give up your rights for security mind set, but its just simple logic here....so many logical reasons why this request doesn't make sense.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Another reason why I will never buy an Apple product. Terrorist sympathizers.
What makes you think other companies are so willing to help ? Go track Samsung for instance. See who in the US actually can help you ? All foreign my dear.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Well what does the FBI want from that iPhone ? Email, text, social media and phone calls are already available to them (if it goes out on the net the NSA can grab it). Whatever they "think" they are looking for is local only on that iPhone which is the county government's property as that was his work phone.

What terrorist would use a government owned and issued work phone for terrorist things ?
Both of them had their own cellphones which they smashed up and threw in the garbage.
Connections -
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:37 PM
 
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Connections -
It was his work phone, he worked for the state, they have the name, address, SSN, bank account info, and info on their family members already.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Which prosecution are they hindering, the perps are dead, we're not going to prosecute dead people are we?

More pertinently how is something that does not exist, nor has ever existed's lack of existence hindering an investigation?

Apple does not have the decryption keys for this device and never did, nor do they have means to reverse engineer them. What they are doing is not providing something they don't have which seems to me to be eminently reasonable. Like banks don't provide financial records for people who do not bank with them, and automotive companies don't provide trip data on cars that don't have tracking devices and services on.

I cannot see how any information on the phone would be useful anyway. Communications will already be known when, who, and how long. The only small chance is that there might be some photograph on the phone, but terrorists are not known for their American Islamic Jihadi Annual Jamboree's (and when they have them there is a strict no camera policy)
If they don't have the ability to reverse engineer then they should just state that, I don't know that is the case. They want access to this one single phone if that impacts all that is a different story. There is a long history of companies assisting law enforcement and compliance with warrants.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:40 PM
 
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If they don't have the ability to reverse engineer then they should just state that, I don't know that is the case. They want access to this one single phone if that impacts all that is a different story. There is a long history of companies assisting law enforcement and compliance with warrants.
It does impact all. It lessens the security of the iPhone platform as a whole.
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