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This was the guy's work phone. He destroyed all the electronics that had anything important on them. This big fight is over a phone that probably has nothing more than work emails and calls. He would have tossed it if it had evidence.
"However, the biggest problem is with the writ served on Apple by the FBI. This particular action by the Obama administration is very very dangerous. The writ was presented to Apple in the form of "do my bidding or die" demand. The point being that not only is this same writ presentable to any other encryption maker; it is also presentable in altered forms to other industries or even individuals."
Government cannot stand it, that a company has created a device they cannot crack open.
Like the militia's, the government will make Apple look like the bad guy here. When Apple is just protecting everyone privacy from government being able to intrude when they want.
There was no need to start ANOTHER thread for this topic.
Beyond the issue of security, can the government force a company to create a specific product for it (in this case, software)? I don't picture this order holding up through appeals.
The FBI is demanding something that Apple doesn't have (software with a backdoor and a master key).
The FBI is using the All Writs Act to force Apple to create it for them.
Basically the FBI wants Apple to write their OS with a backdoor and give them the master key.
While they are at it, Apple needs to make this master key work via bluetooth and wifi.
The FBI would also like to have a forensics lab on Apple's Campus.
That's all they want.
And within 24 hours of the judge telling Apple to do this the DOJ sent a letter to the judge asking the judge to add 12 more iPhones to his judgement for Apple to crack for them.
Then NYPD stepped up to the plate..they have 178 iPhones they would like Apple to crack as well.
Now everyone says "But Apple did it in the past". That was before iOS8 and the A7 chip.
Now Apple can't do it.
Hence this lawsuit.
And Feinstein (D) and Burr (R) in Congress are now writing legislation to force all companies to provide backdoors to their encryption so that the government can access anything, anywhere, anytime. Feinstein put it as..."No more playing games with us".
And the last thing the FBI told the press today was that "Apple would have blood on their hands" if they didn't do this.
(can you tell I've been following this closely ?)
The tech sites and tech forums go into much more detail on the security/encryption and how it changed in iOS8 and moving to the A7 chip.
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I'd like to know why, considering the buckets of $$$ we've been throwing at various intelligence agencies as well as the DoD for many years, that the FBI has to go to Apple for answers?
What happens when the Russians or Chinese or who knows? build their own iPhone?
Do we just throw up our arms in frustration and say 'Doh!' ?
I'd like to know why, considering the buckets of $$$ we've been throwing at various intelligence agencies as well as the DoD for many years, that the FBI has to go to Apple for answers?
What happens when the Russians or Chinese or who knows? builds their own iPhone?
Do we just throw up our arms in frustration and say 'Doh!' ?
Oh the NSA can grab any and all internet data now. That's email, texts, any social media as well as phone calls.
What the FBI wants is whatever is on that phone that never went on the internet for the 30 days of November 2015.
The FBI has tools and they hacked the iCloud account and got everything up until the end of October.
The government has never been able to crack the actual phone.
Then again they never wanted local data. This is a first.
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Oh the NSA can grab any and all internet data now. That's email, texts, any social media as well as phone calls.
What the FBI wants is whatever is on that phone that never went on the internet for the 30 days of November 2015.
The FBI has tools and they hacked the iCloud account and got everything up until the end of October.
The government has never been able to crack the actual phone.
Then again they never wanted local data. This is a first.
It just strikes me as strange how little we're apparently buying in ability considering the $$$ we spend on intel. As I've said, if they can't crack an Apple phone, what happens when Russia , China or who knows produces something similar? Other than the fact the intel agencies will be crying for MORE $$$?
It just strikes me as strange how little we're apparently buying in ability considering the $$$ we spend on intel. As I've said, if they can't crack an Apple phone, what happens when Russia , China or who knows produces something similar? Other than the fact the intel agencies will be crying for MORE $$$?
Well there's that aspect but it hasn't come up yet. Apple is the first company whose product cannot be cracked by the FedGov.
And Apple is a US company.
And they are rip roaring mad about it.
Now if Apple is conscripted to do this by our government think of the ramifications.
What software developer of an encrypted product would want to be incorporated in the US where they are mandated to create crippled security/encryption ?
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Well there's that aspect but it hasn't come up yet. Apple is the first company whose product cannot be cracked by the FedGov.
And Apple is a US company.
And they are rip roaring mad about it.
Now if Apple is conscripted to do this by our government think of the ramifications.
What software developer of an encrypted product would want to be incorporated in the US where they are mandated to create crippled security/encryption ?
Yeah, this is beginning to look like one of those battles that make stocking up on popcorn and beverages seem a wise move.
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