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Old 02-21-2016, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Why does the third most populous country in the world have only two parties? I think you need more. Four would be good. Thoughts?
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:07 AM
 
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Why does the third most populous country in the world have only two parties? I think you need more. Four would be good. Thoughts?
It seems like we discuss this every week. We have a lot more than just two parties, but only two parties ever dominate US politics at one time. This is because we have winner-take-all elections. Even if you get 49 percent of the vote for a seat in Congress, you get squat.

If we had a proportional representation electoral system, then we'd have strong libertarian and socialist parties because even 20 percent of the vote or so would translate into some political clout. But we don't, so those people who are libertarians tend to vote Republican so they don't "throw away" their vote, and those people who are socialist vote Democratic for the same reason.
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Thanks for the info.
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:13 AM
 
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They two parties are in cahoots with each other to run the country and all the people in it. They are essentially gangs thats all. There is no third of 4th voice in this nation and there never will be as long as the idiots of america continue to be sheep.

If people think Trump is going to "shake up the establishment" I have some news for you. He isn't. Billionaires can't be trusted. He will just keep his billionaire buddies in good standing.

The only people who can truly shake up the system are Sanders and Ventura. But people would rather vote for inept reality show people or continue the Clinton dynasty.

Trump is just another corrupt elitist

Americans get what they deserve really. They vote like buffoons. They continue to vote for the gangs then wonder why nothing changes
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why does the third most populous country in the world have only two parties? I think you need more. Four would be good. Thoughts?

Because split vote, always gives you the worse direction the majority actually wants to go.

ie.. The Civil War
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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because all the people that are anti establishment aren't well funded.

money is what it basically comes down to
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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It seems like we discuss we this every week. We have a lot more than just two parties, but only two parties ever dominate US politics at one time. This is because we have winner-take-all elections. Even if you get 49 percent of the vote for a seat in Congress, you get squat.

If we had a proportional representation electoral system, then we'd have strong libertarian and socialist parties because even 20 percent of the vote or so would translate into some political clout. But we don't, so those people who are libertarians tend to vote Republican so they don't "throw away" their vote, and those people who are socialist vote Democratic for the same reason.
Exactly so. This first sank into me when I read It's My Party: A Republican's Messy Love Affair with the GOP: Peter Robinson: 9780446526654: Amazon.com: Books, one of the best commentaries by a political insider I've ever read. He has a very good discussion of this point. Probably in your library, and well worth your time to read.

Both of the Big Two are coalition parties. If we had proportional representation, both would fall apart. There are big differences between religious conservatives, libertarians, and fiscal conservatives in the R party, and differences just as large between environmentalists, globalists, and blue collar workers in the D party.

The Founders rejected proportional representation, because they felt that coalition governments were too weak to govern effectively - "avoid faction" was their principle. They apparently did not foresee that "winner take all" would result in two very large parties. But politics is inherently a group activity, there's no way to avoid forming alliances and choosing sides. I think it's the only area where they completely misread human political nature.
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Why does the third most populous country in the world have only two parties? I think you need more. Four would be good. Thoughts?
I had a thread going on this a while back. I believe this will change to 3-4 in 10-20 years. You will have the

Democratic Party - Old Guard Liberals (on their death bed)
Democratic Socialist - Party of kids that don't have a damn clue
GOP - Old Guard GOP (on their death bed)
New GOP - Not sure what this looks like but not Tea Party type. They may split into 2-3 parties

On things for sure the Dems, as we know them now, will die out and turn into a socialist party. The GOP will die as well but I think we may see an mix of a couple parties libertarian, Tea Party'ish
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Easier to subjugate the people when you only have two parties to corrupt.
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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because all the people that are anti establishment aren't well funded.

money is what it basically comes down to
Fewer members means less money for just about any organization.

But that's not why we have two big parties and a number of tiny ones. The Constitution determines that we have a "winner take all" system, and the realities of arithmetic leads inexorably to a two-party system.
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