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Old 02-22-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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The last Greek bailout the UK resisted. The UK does not participate in the Euro.
Europe tells Britain it MUST pay £1bn share for Greek bailout | Daily Mail Online

Here's what Cameron negotiated:
Update on The Brexit Saga: Referendum Date Set
The UK and ONEMS won’t be forced to participate in bailout programs, and they will be fully reimbursed if they do so.
Wait until the next financial crisis with the inevitable bailout requests. The EU will continue to turn the screws on the UK until they have full compliance if the British decide to stay in this thing.

Like Boris Johnson correctly stated in the article I quoted earlier:
'Ask how much EU legislation the Commission has actually taken back under its various programmes for streamlining bureaucracy. The answer is none. That is why EU law is likened to a ratchet, clicking only forwards. We are seeing a slow and invisible process of legal colonisation, as the EU infiltrates just about every area of public policy.'
The UK will pay, indirectly perhaps in the short term. But directly in the longer term. This is all about eventual political integration, regardless of any special deals that are approved along the way to keep the skids greased so that the project continues to move to its inevitable conclusion.
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:49 AM
 
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Nigel Farage weighs in before the EU parliament on Britain's upcoming referendum on EU membership.



It appears that the deal that David Cameron negotiated is not legally binding and that the members of the EU parliament are pretty strongly opposed to approving it after the fact, if the British people do vote to remain. This will surely be a powerful point that could well undermine David Cameron's campaign to keep the UK in the EU.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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From all that I have read the people want out. They feel they are being ruled by Germany and the IMF.
But business want to remain in the EU.
The union has been mismanaged since day one. It is nothing more than a consolidation of assets making it easier for the world bank (IMF) to control Europe. The UK is tired of contributing the lions share to subsidize countries being equally mismanaged... PIGS. Though Ireland has turned themselves around a bit. As we now know Merkel has become a bit of a power mongering control freak. She absolutely got the refugee thing wrong to the detriment to all of the EU.


It's a hot fried mess over there, and the UK has been tipped. The proverbial straw.

An interesting notion is how much safer the world is, even though we are actually in the precursor stage of the next world war.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This it one of the most important news stories of the year, and the American media is all but ignoring it. If the UK exits the European Union, Scotland will probably vote for independence, other member nations might possibly exit, and what remains of the Union will probably try to integrate even further, and become even less democratic in the process.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Wait until the next financial crisis with the inevitable bailout requests. The EU will continue to turn the screws on the UK until they have full compliance if the British decide to stay in this thing.

Like Boris Johnson correctly stated in the article I quoted earlier:
'Ask how much EU legislation the Commission has actually taken back under its various programmes for streamlining bureaucracy. The answer is none. That is why EU law is likened to a ratchet, clicking only forwards. We are seeing a slow and invisible process of legal colonisation, as the EU infiltrates just about every area of public policy.'
The UK will pay, indirectly perhaps in the short term. But directly in the longer term. This is all about eventual political integration, regardless of any special deals that are approved along the way to keep the skids greased so that the project continues to move to its inevitable conclusion.


European Union = Soviet Union
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:53 AM
 
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This it one of the most important news stories of the year, and the American media is all but ignoring it. If the UK exits the European Union, Scotland will probably vote for independence, other member nations might possibly exit, and what remains of the Union will probably try to integrate even further, and become even less democratic in the process.
Yes. It will likely be the beginning of the EU, at least as it is currently constructed. It is an enormous story with global ramifications, but Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

Well, at least there are a few of us following it here in an case.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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European Union = Soviet Union
= The United States of America.

They are pushing us towards a one world government. It is just a matter of time.
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:04 PM
 
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The union has been mismanaged since day one. It is nothing more than a consolidation of assets making it easier for the world bank (IMF) to control Europe. The UK is tired of contributing the lions share to subsidize countries being equally mismanaged... PIGS. Though Ireland has turned themselves around a bit. As we now know Merkel has become a bit of a power mongering control freak. She absolutely got the refugee thing wrong to the detriment to all of the EU.


It's a hot fried mess over there, and the UK has been tipped. The proverbial straw.

An interesting notion is how much safer the world is, even though we are actually in the precursor stage of the next world war.
If the UK wants to be a state in the United States of Europe, then they should stay in. Otherwise, they should get out. They can negotiate trade deals with the EU from the outside, just like everyone else.

This is a big mess and they are already running out of "other people's money." The financial problems of the EU are already quite bad, and they are going to get worse.
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Old 03-06-2016, 06:59 PM
 
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If the UK wants to be a state in the United States of Europe, then they should stay in. Otherwise, they should get out. They can negotiate trade deals with the EU from the outside, just like everyone else.

This is a big mess and they are already running out of "other people's money." The financial problems of the EU are already quite bad, and they are going to get worse.
Yes, a huge financial mess within the EU not even counting the mounting problems of the current immigration problem.

Unfortunately, if the UK exits the EU after the referendum in June 2016, then it will trigger problems for the worldwide economy quickly (I'd like to be quite wrong on that premise). The EU itself will definitely be in a recession or worse.
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Old 03-06-2016, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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From all that I have read the people want out. They feel they are being ruled by Germany and the IMF.
But business want to remain in the EU.
I've always felt the EU Germany's second Hitler type second attempt at taking over Europe. They succeed this time. I was amazed at that many countries willing to eventually give up their sovereignty. However, as in America, the elite made promises of money and free chit that unfortunately stayed with the elite.
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