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Old 03-02-2016, 10:38 AM
 
Location: louisville
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The statement "Staff infections come from any medical facility that doesn't keep their instruments and rooms clean." is false. The vast majority of staph (not staff) infections, including boils, come from the patient's own skin, and the majority of patients with skin infections carry staph in their noses. That is a fact, not an opinion.
What if I got a staff infection... Oh wait, that was an ex gf nurse. OOOPS!!!!
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Old 03-02-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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The statement "Staff infections come from any medical facility that doesn't keep their instruments and rooms clean." is false. The vast majority of staph (not staff) infections, including boils, come from the patient's own skin, and the majority of patients with skin infections carry staph in their noses. That is a fact, not an opinion.
Not to mention the fact that half of the American population under 12 years of age are . . booger eaters!
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Old 03-02-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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What if I got a staff infection... Oh wait, that was an ex gf nurse. OOOPS!!!!
Thy staff and thy rod.
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Old 03-02-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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Not to mention the fact that half of the American population under 12 years of age are . . booger eaters!
Strep and staph are COMPETITORS!
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Old 03-02-2016, 10:54 AM
 
Location: USA
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If the Repubs get their way, at least the poor masses can die in the street instead of a hospital.
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Old 03-02-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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Strep and staph are COMPETITORS!
Collusion HAS been observed . . under the scope.
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Old 03-02-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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I'd use hospitals as a last resort .
https://www.google.ca/#q=Medical+err...cause+of+death
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Old 03-02-2016, 11:06 AM
 
Location: louisville
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Thy staff and thy rod.
Wasn't 'thy' staff but thy rod does have culpability
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Old 03-02-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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I'd like to take this opportunity to clear up some misconceptions about hospital air quality. The air in patient rooms isn't recirculated like at a home. Our hospital was completely renovated so I'll detail the old system and new system. In the old system 100% outside air was sucked into an air handler unit. The air was filtered several times before going out to a series of patient rooms. None of the air from the patient rooms were returned back to the unit. The air in the room was sucked out through the roof from an exhaust fan. The patient rooms were kept at a slightly positive pressure so that when the door is closed a little air will flow out from under the door instead of being sucked in from the hall. Only non-patient areas had some air recirculated back to the unit.

In the new system, the air handler units have UV lights after the first set of filters and after the cooling coils. This not only helps to kill micro-organisms in the air but also prevents growth on the coils. The air in the rooms is still exhausted out through the roof. The units that supply air to operating rooms goes through even stricter filtering requirements than the patient rooms.

People like to blame the infections exclusively on hospital staff. They ignore the fact that patients have friends and family visiting them while they're recovering. They also bring items from home for the patient to feel comfortable and entertained. Things like a favorite blanket, toys, video games, tablets, laptops, hobby crafts all carry micro-organisms a weakened immune system can't handle.

Our hospital has anti-bacterial gel (alcohol) and soap dispensers for everyone to use but we rarely see visitors use them. The gel alone isn't enough. In fact, proper handwashing with plain soap is better than anti-bacterial gel. But using the soap followed by the gel is a better solution.

We just had a hospital meeting on infections. Though you're wearing gloves in the room, once you leave the room you must throw out the gloves and put on a new pair before entering the room. We've had family wear the gloves going in and out of the rooms. It is very easy for cross contamination to happen even for well trained hospital staff. It's even easier for it to occur through the friends and family of patients. And what about the patients that smoke? You can tell them to stay in their room but if they want to smoke then they'll leave to go smoke.
Sources of cross contamination includes elevator buttons, door knobs, telephones, countertops, night stands, remote control, items from home, friends and family, and from hospital staff. There was a recent case at another hospital of a serious infection that was traced back to a medical scope. Though the hospital staff had cleaned the scope according to regulations, the micro-organism survived the cleaning process and was transmitted to other patients it was used upon. Once the source of infection was found they had to come up with new cleaning procedures that could destroy this organism that survived conventional methods.

In cases in which patients are highly infectious like in cases of TB, the patient is placed in an isolation room. These rooms are set up as a negative ventilation meaning more air is sucked out the room than is blown in. This prevents the infection from being blown into the hall. At our hospital we smoke test the room daily when a patient is in isolation. Majority of our isolation rooms have alarms that notify us if the room air becomes positive.
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Old 03-02-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: louisville
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I'd like to take this opportunity to clear up some misconceptions about hospital air quality. The air in patient rooms isn't recirculated like at a home. Our hospital was completely renovated so I'll detail the old system and new system. In the old system 100% outside air was sucked into an air handler unit. The air was filtered several times before going out to a series of patient rooms. None of the air from the patient rooms were returned back to the unit. The air in the room was sucked out through the roof from an exhaust fan. The patient rooms were kept at a slightly positive pressure so that when the door is closed a little air will flow out from under the door instead of being sucked in from the hall. Only non-patient areas had some air recirculated back to the unit.

In the new system, the air handler units have UV lights after the first set of filters and after the cooling coils. This not only helps to kill micro-organisms in the air but also prevents growth on the coils. The air in the rooms is still exhausted out through the roof. The units that supply air to operating rooms goes through even stricter filtering requirements than the patient rooms.

People like to blame the infections exclusively on hospital staff. They ignore the fact that patients have friends and family visiting them while they're recovering. They also bring items from home for the patient to feel comfortable and entertained. Things like a favorite blanket, toys, video games, tablets, laptops, hobby crafts all carry micro-organisms a weakened immune system can't handle.

Our hospital has anti-bacterial gel (alcohol) and soap dispensers for everyone to use but we rarely see visitors use them. The gel alone isn't enough. In fact, proper handwashing with plain soap is better than anti-bacterial gel. But using the soap followed by the gel is a better solution.

We just had a hospital meeting on infections. Though you're wearing gloves in the room, once you leave the room you must throw out the gloves and put on a new pair before entering the room. We've had family wear the gloves going in and out of the rooms. It is very easy for cross contamination to happen even for well trained hospital staff. It's even easier for it to occur through the friends and family of patients. And what about the patients that smoke? You can tell them to stay in their room but if they want to smoke then they'll leave to go smoke.
Sources of cross contamination includes elevator buttons, door knobs, telephones, countertops, night stands, remote control, items from home, friends and family, and from hospital staff. There was a recent case at another hospital of a serious infection that was traced back to a medical scope. Though the hospital staff had cleaned the scope according to regulations, the micro-organism survived the cleaning process and was transmitted to other patients it was used upon. Once the source of infection was found they had to come up with new cleaning procedures that could destroy this organism that survived conventional methods.

In cases in which patients are highly infectious like in cases of TB, the patient is placed in an isolation room. These rooms are set up as a negative ventilation meaning more air is sucked out the room than is blown in. This prevents the infection from being blown into the hall. At our hospital we smoke test the room daily when a patient is in isolation. Majority of our isolation rooms have alarms that notify us if the room air becomes positive.
There's a couple of us that concur 10000%.

Thanks for the post
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