Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
I get the patriotic fervor and the fear of immigrants, but a country that voluntarily cuts itself off from free market access to 500 million customers did not know what it was doing.
The logic of such a ridiculous post, would be to believe that America would be better-off in a free-market(and free-immigration) arrangement with China, Pakistan, and Nigeria.
You could probably make an argument that such an arrangement would lead to greater "economic growth", but it would leave the people themselves miserable and less-secure(if such a union could even be held together at all).
Let me add, the only people who would benefit from that kind of arrangement, would be the elites at the top with the capital and positioning to exploit it(IE the bankers). And the result would be to exacerbate already-intense wealth-inequality.
"A man who is without capital, and who, by prohibitions upon banking, is practically forbidden to hire any, is in a condition elevated but one degree above that of a chattel slave. He may live; but he can live only as the servant of others; compelled to perform such labor, and to perform it at such prices, as they may see fit to dictate." - Lysander Spooner
Too bad the USA does not have the guts / fervor for a revolution, or even a referendum. We (minions) have taken several beatings in last 16 yrs, and never complained, prosecuted, or flinched. Just let the rulers / bankers clean us out.
Having just spent 8 weeks in UK and Ireland, I am suprised but pleased the exit passed.
EU burdensome regulations became very evident that Brussels was the big brother intent on sequestering your ambitions and success. Too bad it has destroyed so much small business, generational farms, and liveihoods already.
I expect The Netherlands will be out of EU very soon, they have been crushed as well.
I've never reported a single post, another lie by you.
So I factually point out that you misused the term socialism, clear as day.
You respond with a lie, some nonsense about my beliefs on the Pilgrims, which I have never voiced.
Then you respond with another lie that I report posts.
Why are you posting here? Seriously. You constantly lack the intellectual capacity to defend your BS when called out on it and then you lash out with lies. Why do you post? To spread propaganda for your political masters? BS, lie, lie...that is you on this thread.
You're a top snitch and you know it.
Again, you right wingers (including you) scream socialism the second you see someone spending a food stamp. You constantly call Democratic politicians socialists without any evidence.
And again, you're not an intellectual. Far from it. The only thing you do is spit out the latest boiler plate right wing propaganda. When i call you on it, you start talking about how intellectually superior you are...
Or you launch into self praise about how you're CD's version of Mother Teresa.
They are terrified, and the EU itself could die as a result. And good riddance. I hope the discontent further spreads to this side of the pond.
Though I'm not sure how far the UK will push it, because their economy is almost entirely international finance. I have a difficult time believing that they will risk the UK economy for nationalistic sentiments.
The EU doesn't sound terrified, they are wanting to expedite Britain's departure. France or Germany are only too happy to take London's banking economy.
Just saw economist Stephen Moore. He says that with the UK leaving the EU the remaining EU countries will have less money to fund their socialist policies. So will we be seeing a change in the amount of socialism that's practiced in Europe because of the UK exit?
Actually one of the arguments for the exit was that UK would have more money to spend on their socialist policies.
I get the patriotic fervor and the fear of immigrants, but a country that voluntarily cuts itself off from free market access to 500 million customers did not know what it was doing.
So do you believe those 500 million will no longer do business with them? Seriously?
I spent a lot of time listening to the financial pundits today-speculation was all over the place. Fact is, nobody really knows what the impact is going to be.
I wrote this essay when asked by a friend about Great Britain's exit from the European Common Market. he asked if this was a leading indicator of what might happen in the US Fall election.
That is always a possibility because of two major factors. One is the growth of industrial level jobs has been either negative or stagnant. The second is the perception that Hillary and her cohorts only offer crumbs to the older white unemployed, frequently forever, males without any actual pensions, while pandering to the Blacks, Hispanics and the rest of the minorities while being bribed by Wall Street's big investors to the detriment of the former majority. Her support of women's rights, including the choice to remain pregnant or not, also irritates the Hell out of the Archie Bunkers of the fly over country. Her support for absurd gun controls is the last straw for these people.
I watched the Donald in his natural element this morning. He was focused and sincere about selling the glorious golf course and the magnificent suits in the old lighthouse. Those were his words. My take was these are so far out of the realm of the under 90th percentile to be effectively meaningless. What it does show is The Donald's bias toward and absolute need for financial success and the adulation of the crowd.
The decision to leave the EU by Great Britain was, IMHO, not an over whelming mandate. The vote to leave was only 4% over the vote to stay. I think this leaves room for negotiation. It had better as the votes in Scotland and Ireland were overwhelmingly to stay in the EU. I do think this is a indication of increasing nationalism by the lower income people to reject the policies that have cost them their jobs and income security. It is also costing them their cultural security. This applies to the US as much as Great Britain. There are many places in Appalachia, the South and the West where Spanish is almost as common a language as English. There is also the construction of Mosques in areas where Christianity is declining. All of these lead the fearful to conclude they are becoming less economically important and are losing their cultural Security.
Hillary does not address any of these fears because, as a very smart and well educated elite, she does not face any of the consequences of the globalization of the economy. In fact she personally benefits for all of the policies that damage the lower classes. She is just isolated enough to not see just how many people blame her on their problems. True or not millions of disaffected Americans hold her and the Democrats responsible for the hard times they are experiencing. It does not matter that they are completely wrong and are gullible fools that have believed Limbaugh, Hannity and the Donald.
They are NOT completely wrong. They are wrong if they think that only the (D)'s are a part of the problem.
Quote:
Her only hope is to adopt much of the economic and cultural aspects of Bernie Sander's platform and then sincerely offer a plausible plan to restore American working and small business class prosperity. If she does not do so they will vote for The Donald even if he will not even try to do the things need to help the currently disenfranchised.
She is incapable of being sincere and even if she could no one would believe her.
Quote:
We must remember the Donald is a car salesman that will paint a dilapidated Yugo red and sell it as a Ferrari. Hillary will try to sell the best thought out safest most idiot proof car ever even though nobody can afford it. Bernie will open a Toyota dealership in a world full of '65 Chevy's and we all know how that turned out. The Donald will try to sell you the rat infested junkyard as valuable riverside property.
So we as a country decided to turn from the best option.
No. Europe is an intrinsically socialist continent. That ain't never gonna change. They had generous social benefits before the E.U. even existed, and they'll have those same programs even if the E.U. is relegated to the dustbin.
Anyone who knows about or has lived in Europe knows this to be a fact. England leaving the E.U. changes absolutely nothing on that front.
The problem is that many are migrating to England to get those benefits and it is putting their own people at the back of the line. The brits have lost jobs to the migrants from other countries in the EU and they want their sovereignty back.
Sounds kind of familiar.. outsiders coming here for all the free stuff they can get ;putting the American economy in the john.
How out of touch can the EU be to what this vote says? People, (the British public in this case), are sick and tired of being controlled from afar, by faceless, unaccountable elites. Well, now that just underscores how restrictive the bureaucrats in Brussels had become. Bureaucrats and their regulations, dictates and presumptions.
Sounds familiar to many Americans complaints about the bureaucracies in the District of Columbia.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seacove
The EU wants Britain out as soon as possible.
"A senior EU leader has confirmed the bloc wants Britain out as soon as possible, warning that David Cameron’s decision to delay the start of Brexit negotiations until his successor is in place may not be fast enough."
Again, you right wingers (including you) scream socialism the second you see someone spending a food stamp. You constantly call Democratic politicians socialists without any evidence.
And again, you're not an intellectual. Far from it. The only thing you do is spit out the latest boiler plate right wing propaganda. When i call you on it, you start talking about how intellectually superior you are...
Or you launch into self praise about how you're CD's version of Mother Teresa.
Listen, you were using a term that you didn't comprehend: Socialism. I asked you to point out a country in Europe that truly fit that term you used and you wouldn't/couldn't do it.
Even though you were using the term incorrectly, I could have at least put together an intellectual response from your point of view of how the term kind of fits even though it is wrong. But you didn't and perhaps couldn't.
You responded with strawmen lies. You have no idea who reports posts and who doesn't. So you are completely BSing, that is all you have on this forum is BS. You don't have intellectual discourse, you certainly don't understand the term that you used. You can't find a single post about where I commented on socialism of the Pilgrims, or any of your other lies meant to distract from the main point that you are a hollow man. Vacant of substance.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
