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Now you're saying you had an ID (Your statement elaborated: I had this, this and this.). What was it?
And student IDs have a photo on them, no? Mine did over 30 years ago when I was in college, and my kids' did when they were in college in the late/early 2000s/2010s.
I had two items, not three. The ID I am referring to is a student ID.
If I had three, I would have said, "I had an ID, a student ID, and a voter registration card" with an oxford comma. No oxford comma = two items.
(I have been careful in my posts to differentiate between government issued photo ID and non-government photo ID like a student ID or work ID, which are not acceptable for voting under voter ID laws.)
I had two items, not three. The ID I am referring to is a student ID.
If I had three, I would have said, "I had an ID, a student ID, and a voter registration card" with an oxford comma. No oxford comma = two items.
(I have been careful in my posts to differentiate between government issued photo ID and non-government photo ID like a student ID or work ID, which are not acceptable for voting under voter ID laws.)
The truth comes out.... You had a verified photo ID.
Guess what. That form of ID, is acceptable at the voting booth, just like a conceal carry license is.
That secondary documentation, required ID/birth Certificate.
Kinda like you don't need an ID buy a gun(no waiting period) if you already have a valid CCW(secondary documentation). Which was obtained using an ID.
No, it didn't require an ID or birth certificate to get them. Again, I never had a government issued photo ID nor proof of birth beyond an abstract of birth. These were sufficient to enroll in school, lease an apartment, connect utilities, etc, but not to get government issued ID.
Now, if I had not enrolled briefly in college and obtained a college ID, all of this would have been more difficult. But, I was able to enroll in college with my abstract of birth and school transcripts as proof of identity. The college ID never expired. (Sidenote: I had a driver's permit briefly in high school, but did not drive a car against until I was in my mid-30s, partly because of my difficulty in obtaining acceptable proof of identity for a license. While you work, cash checks, fly, get government benefits and all sorts of other things without a real birth certificate, driving a car is not one of those things.)
Voter ID laws with secondary identification could certainly work, but that's not the laws being proposed in about 80% of the proposals. Those laws are laws with strict requirements of a government issued photo ID and no other acceptable secondary forms.
The truth comes out.... You had a verified photo ID.
Guess what. That form of ID, is acceptable at the voting booth, just like a conceal carry license is.
It is acceptable for voting right now, yes.
Under photo ID voter laws, it is not because it is not government issued any more than your work id is government issued. I have no quarrel with voter ID laws that allow secondary identification issued under less stringent requirements, like student IDs. The vast majority do not allow that.
No, it didn't require an ID or birth certificate to get them.
How did you get a student ID without an ID or a birth certificate?
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Again, I never had a government issued photo ID nor proof of birth beyond an abstract of birth. These were sufficient to enroll in school, lease an apartment, connect utilities, etc, but not to get government issued ID.
False, and I've already posted why that's false.
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Now, if I had not enrolled briefly in college and obtained a college ID, all of this would have been more difficult. But, I was able to enroll in college with my abstract of birth...
Ah... the truth comes out. You had a BC that is acceptable to obtain a US passport, as I've already posted.
Indeed, they are acceptable for obtaining a passport. Both of my kids applied for and received their US passports with a certified copy of their BC that was an abstract. Why? THIS is what the abstract includes, in bold:
[/list] [/list]https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...irst-time.html
Example:
That is not an abstract of birth. An abstract of birth is a 8.5"x2.75" document issued during the 1980s and 1990s by certain states in place of birth certificates. No new ones have been issued since 2001. They only list the parents' surnnames, and not their full names. They do not carry the registrar's embossed, impressed, or multicolor seal.
(They always carry a single color flat version of the seal to differentiate them from what you are talking about.)
Nothing in the state department link indicates that an abstract of birth is acceptable.
Edit: Here are few images showing what an abstract of birth looks like, but I cannot find anything official: http://33.media.tumblr.com/e960cfac8...2uh1qa72xx.jpg http://38.media.tumblr.com/840922546...HyM1qa72xx.jpg
That is not an abstract of birth. An abstract of birth is a 8.5"x2.75" document issued during the 1980s and 1990s by certain states in place of birth certificates.
False. A certified abstract is a certified short form BC. It contains all the info required to obtain a US passport, driver's license, etc. It's the certified BC described in the first descriptive paragraph, below, available for $10:
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Types of certificates available
Two types of birth certificates are available for legal purposes (travel, passport, proof of citizenship, Social Security, driver’s license, school registration, personal identification).
For $10 for the first copy and $2 for each additional copy of the same certificate requested at the same time, you will obtain a birth certificate with the following items: child’s name, date of birth, sex, place of birth (city, county, state), mother/co-parent’s maiden name, mother/co-parent’s place of birth (state/country), mother/co-parent’s age, father/co-parent’s name, father/co-parent’s place of birth (state/country), father/co-parent’s age, file date, date issued, and, state file number.
For $15 for the first copy and $2 for each additional copy of the same certificate requested at the same time, you will obtain a birth certificate with information collected at the time of your birth
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