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Some seem to feel that way given current conditions.
Doubtful a history lesson will either inform or address this.
What current conditions? Are Blacks unaware that some Whites also lack opportunity? That some Whites also live in poverty? That some innocent unarmed Whites are also shot in interactions with police who exhibit bad/unprofessional judgment?
Good luck with that. As I've already explained, not even all Whites have/had equal opportunities.
Yeah, no doubt. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive towards a more egalitarian society. And if "whining and complaining" brings us closer to achieving that goal, while annoying some content with the status quo, then so be it, I say. The same thing could be said of the Civil Rights and women's suffrage movements.
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Not even close to the extent that the Black community does, and you and everyone else knows it.
I don't care about the extent. I care about whether or not those grievances are justified.
Yeah, no doubt. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive towards a more egalitarian society. And if "whining and complaining" brings us closer to achieving that goal, while annoying some content with the status quo, then so be it, I say. The same thing could be said of the Civil Rights and women's suffrage movements.
The mistake in your logic though is that women's suffrage and equal rights advocacy included ALL women, not just White or Black women.
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I don't care about the extent. I care about whether or not those grievances are justified.
What makes one race group's grievances more worthy than another's? That's the mistake the Black grievance groups are making. They think it's all about them and no other group has those exact same hardships when it's quite clear that they do. Perhaps if they were more inclusive (all lives matter instead of just Black lives matter), they'd garner more widespread support.
Actually, you've made my point. Some Whites (just like some Blacks) face the exact same hardships. Where is the White outrage? Where are the White Lives Matter groups and protests?
The mistake in your logic though is that women's suffrage and equal rights advocacy included ALL women, not just White or Black women.
And to that point, I would argue the Civil Rights movement benefited all racial minority groups. Just because blacks are vocal about perceived slights against them, doesn't mean other groups' grievances are to be marginalized.
For example, the BLM movement purports that blacks are being disproportionately harassed by the police. That, in and of itself, doesn't detract from other groups' problems with the police, only that blacks are standing up to police brutality on their own community.
For the record, I used BLM for purely reference purposes and should not be taken to mean that I agree/disagree with the organization.
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What makes one race group's grievances more worthy than another's? That's the mistake the Black grievance groups are making. They think it's all about them and no other group has those exact same hardships when it's quite clear that they do. Perhaps if they were more inclusive (all lives matter instead of just Black lives matter), they'd garner more widespread support.
It depends on the context, I say. Some grievances are more legit than others and some injustices are more grievous than others.
As for All Lives Matter vs. BLM debate, it's not as if the former was created to genuinely join in solidarity with the latter and push for reform. Instead, it was a reactionary backlash against a nonexistent slight on non-black groups.
On the whole, I don't see many black-initiated social justice movements that are exclusive in nature or practice.
For example, the BLM movement purports that blacks are being disproportionately harassed by the police.
How so? Doesn't the disproportionate policing of Blacks match their disproportionate commission of crimes, especially violent crimes? For example, look at the homicide offender rates. Blacks are disproportionately represented compared to their percentage of the population.
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