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Old 03-12-2016, 10:01 AM
 
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That's the story of federalism and localism. Nobody wants to pay for it locally so Congress is given a problem they cannot possibly resolve.
But liberals claim to champion these causes. So why won't the San Francisco liberals pay up when faced with those in need?

 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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But liberals claim to champion these causes. So why won't the San Francisco liberals pay up when faced with those in need?

As I said, when liberals offer a giveaway, free riders jump on the wagon and ruin it for all. San Francisco has a porous border.

Also, liberals are notoriously poor at connecting the dots between their policies (high taxes, high regulation) and increased need or else disingenuous or perhaps in denial.
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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Maybe blue states --> larger welfare state --> greater sense of entitlement --> expanded underclass / culture of poverty --> middle class / white flight ???
White flight? Clearly you don't understand gentrification which is happening because wealthy whites are moving back to urban areas and displacing minorities by driving up housing prices. White flight occurred in the 60's and 70's in the SF Bay area when whites moved OUT of urban areas and relocated in the suburbs.
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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White flight? Clearly you don't understand gentrification which is happening because wealthy whites are moving back to urban areas and displacing minorities by driving up housing prices. White flight occurred in the 60's and 70's in the SF Bay area when whites moved OUT of urban areas and relocated in the suburbs.
OK... so why aren't those wealthy White liberals now not willing to fund those they displaced? I thought liberals were all about inclusiveness and equality. Apparently, that's just lip service and they don't really practice what they preach.
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...youd-expect-2/ Not seeing AZ or NV mentioned there.
dontcha think that just might be because your link is about black segregation and the segregation that occurs in Nevada and Arizona schools involves hispanics?
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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OK... so why aren't those wealthy White liberals now not willing to fund those they displaced? I thought liberals were all about inclusiveness and equality. Apparently, that's just lip service and they don't really practice what they preach.
You sound like a broken record. This is utter nonsense, gentrification is not caused by liberals or conservatives and there are no easy fixes for people who are forced to move out of areas affected like it. Just for once can't you discuss an issue without trying to blame 'liberals'? You act like everyone who is not a Trump or Cruz supporter is a left wing radical with a hive mentality.
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:36 AM
 
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dontcha think that just might be because your link is about black segregation and the segregation that occurs in Nevada and Arizona schools involves hispanics?
Read the entire article.
 
Old 03-12-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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This is utter nonsense, gentrification is not caused by liberals or conservatives and there are no easy fixes for people who are forced to move out of areas affected like it.
In a heavily liberal city like San Francisco, how can you say it's not caused by liberals?

So the question stands... why won't the wealthy liberal gentrifying San Franciscans fund the poor and the homeless they displaced? Hypocrites?
 
Old 03-12-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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White flight? Clearly you don't understand gentrification which is happening because wealthy whites are moving back to urban areas and displacing minorities by driving up housing prices. White flight occurred in the 60's and 70's in the SF Bay area when whites moved OUT of urban areas and relocated in the suburbs.

I meant white flight in the sense of trying to self-segregate. When gentrifiers return to the central city, it's not to integrate but to reclaim once-again desirable territory from which their parents fled decades earlier - and to displace the poor and non-white in the process. If they wanted to integrate they'd be moving to non-gentrifying parts of the 'hood.
 
Old 03-12-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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OK... so why aren't those wealthy White liberals now not willing to fund those they displaced? I thought liberals were all about inclusiveness and equality. Apparently, that's just lip service and they don't really practice what they preach.

Again, they are willing to tax you in order to house the displaced Somewhere Else. Conservatives accept displacement without taxing anyone and without supporting any assistance to those displaced.
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