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Old 03-19-2016, 09:13 PM
 
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Miscarriage Isn't Illegal, But It's Increasingly Treated With Suspicion
Is miscarriage murder? States that put fetal rights ahead of a mother's say so | Sadhbh Walshe | Opinion | The Guardian

Authorities in hick states have begun investigating miscarriages and criminalizing women who experience them. This is a natural outcome of fetal personhood laws where legislators relegate women to being human incubators.
"Hick states"?

As per this article: Is miscarriage murder? States that put fetal rights ahead of a mother's say so | Sadhbh Walshe | Opinion | The Guardian

Voters from the "hick state" of Mississippi did NOT pass proposition 26:

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On November 8, 2011, Mississippians voted down Proposition 26, a “personhood”
measure that would have changed the state constitution by redefining
the word person to include “every human being from the moment
of fertilization, cloning, or the functional equivalent thereof” (Mississippi
Secretary of State 2011b). The measure’s defeat was attributed to
the recognition that such a law could have an impact beyond recriminalizing
abortion, including outlawing some forms of contraception as well
as in vitro fertilization
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.....it was argued that such measures would create legal grounds for forcing
medical interventions on pregnant women and punishing those who, for
instance, suffered miscarriages and stillbirths.
4 out of the 5 "cases" that had enough information for the Duke "study" to even make the issue a "study" were drug addicts.

Being stupid and engaging in risky behavior is what got these women arrested in the first place. They just happened to be pregnant. When one isn't in their right mind/an addict...they don't know what they are doing, don't care if they are harming themselves or others. Is this a case of protecting an unborn child or helping the pregnant addicts not regret their stupid choices should they, one day, sober up? And even worse, die from bleeding out should their bad habits induce a miscarriage and they're passed out/too paranoid/think an alien is tapping in to their uterus to cause them to bleed. Just watch Intervention - if you get it up in hick Toronto. Drug induced psychosis is not pretty.

For the record, spontaneous miscarriages not related to drug use/indulgence in risky behavior by the "incubator" are the miscarriages I was referring to.

Completely different issue/thread.


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"Ms Carder was 27 years-old and 25 weeks pregnant when she became critically ill. She, her family and her attending physicians all agreed on treatment designed to keep her alive for as long as possible. The hospital however called an emergency hearing to determine the rights of the fetus.

"Despite knowing that Caesarian surgery could kill Ms Carder, the court ordered it, claiming that the fetus had independent legal rights. The fetus was born alive but died two hours later. Angela Carder died two days later, with the surgery listed as a contributing factor."
Washington DC isn't a "hick state" and Angela Carder was already on her way out. Her parents would have sued the hospital either way.

So when you've got a more than half dead woman pregnant with a 26 week'er ...what does one do in order to avoid an inevitable law suit?

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This is one reason why I say that antichoicers are defacto pro-death. Because they are. They advocate for these policies knowing that 47,000 women die every year of unsafe abortions. They effectively want these women to die if it means potentially a few more fetuses. This is when they are not shooting up doctors and women in abortion clinics. "Pro-lifers" need to start calling themselves pro-death.
You can say and believe whatever you want.

The fact is that abortions are legal and have been since 1973, so there is no reason to have an "unsafe" abortion.

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Old 03-19-2016, 09:18 PM
 
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I guess you've never had the pleasure of meeting strong women
Met plenty of them. Even the strong fall eventually.
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Old 03-19-2016, 10:19 PM
 
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It's more like existence. Fetal tissue can exist. It's still legally dead, though. Much like a corpse can exist. Doesn't make it alive.
Viable is much different than dead.
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Old 03-19-2016, 10:39 PM
 
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Depends how far a long the baby was in development.

If it is past the inplantation phase then it would go against my morals.

But, I make sure that didnt happen with her taken the pills the morning after.

Having a baby out of wedlock and without being able to properly support it is a big no no.

Def not gonna be asking my gf's or random hookups if they wanna take the pill the following morning.

Its we are going to the pharmacist and your taking these pills.
Why don't you take some responsibility when you have sex with your gf's or random hookups and use a condom?

Keep in mind you also have to protect yourself, from those gf's/random hookups who are so irresponsible while you are the King of "responsibility after the fact"... and for a lot more than an unwanted pregnancy.
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Old 03-19-2016, 10:51 PM
 
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Why don't you take some responsibility when you have sex with your gf's or random hookups and use a condom?

Keep in mind you also have to protect yourself, from those gf's/random hookups who are so irresponsible while you are the King of "responsibility after the fact"... and for a lot more than an unwanted pregnancy.
I should. Need to stop raw dogging. Not good.

I am still at even/zero. Negative -1 for no condom. Plus +1 for MAP

-1+1=0
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Old 03-20-2016, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Depends how far a long the baby was in development.

If it is past the inplantation phase then it would go against my morals.

But, I make sure that didnt happen with her taken the pills the morning after.

Having a baby out of wedlock and without being able to properly support it is a big no no.

Def not gonna be asking my gf's or random hookups if they wanna take the pill the following morning.

Its we are going to the pharmacist and your taking these pills.
Wow. So random hookups (fornication) are ok for you, but a married same sex couple (not fornication) is not ok.
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Old 03-20-2016, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Met plenty of them. Even the strong fall eventually.

Psh. Not to you. Only Christ can control me.
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Old 03-20-2016, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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"Hick states"?

As per this article: Is miscarriage murder? States that put fetal rights ahead of a mother's say so | Sadhbh Walshe | Opinion | The Guardian

Voters from the "hick state" of Mississippi did NOT pass proposition 26:



And...



4 out of the 5 "cases" that had enough information for the Duke "study" to even make the issue a "study" were drug addicts.

Being stupid and engaging in risky behavior is what got these women arrested in the first place. They just happened to be pregnant. When one isn't in their right mind/an addict...they don't know what they are doing, don't care if they are harming themselves or others. Is this a case of protecting an unborn child or helping the pregnant addicts not regret their stupid choices should they, one day, sober up? And even worse, die from bleeding out should their bad habits induce a miscarriage and they're passed out/too paranoid/think an alien is tapping in to their uterus to cause them to bleed. Just watch Intervention - if you get it up in hick Toronto. Drug induced psychosis is not pretty.

For the record, spontaneous miscarriages not related to drug use/indulgence in risky behavior by the "incubator" are the miscarriages I was referring to.

Completely different issue/thread.




Washington DC isn't a "hick state" and Angela Carder was already on her way out. Her parents would have sued the hospital either way.

So when you've got a more than half dead woman pregnant with a 26 week'er ...what does one do in order to avoid an inevitable law suit?



You can say and believe whatever you want.

The fact is that abortions are legal and have been since 1973, so there is no reason to have an "unsafe" abortion.

There are presently 3 states with formal fetal personhood laws on the books applying to drug use in-utero:
Alabama, Tennessee, and Oklahoma. Are these hick states? You be the judge. I know my opinion.


Furthermore, do-it-yourself abortions are on the rise due to the closing of reproductive health facilities in the United States: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/op...f=opinion&_r=1, which is increasingly resembling a third-world country in this regard. So expect the female bodies in these states to start piling up.

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Old 03-20-2016, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Why? It's an extremely hard decision for them already....and you want them to have an ultrasound. Have you even considered that they know what the ramifications are. Women are not stupid


It's not hard for every woman. The fact of the matter is that not every woman gets sentimental about some 7-week-old fetal tissue which can't feel anything and doesn't even have a head, let alone a brain. The biggest issue is that it would be a lot of unnecessary red tape and cost taxpayers more for nothing. Not everyone gets sentimental over "potential" some of us are rationalists.
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Old 03-20-2016, 01:38 AM
 
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Met plenty of them. Even the strong fall eventually.
You cannot be for real. Ladies, let's all bow and submit to King Madillin Paisa.
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