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And then, after a certain number of years, we'll just throw the unused embryos away. Just toss them in the garbage!
Where are the vigils and rallies and protesters standing outside of these labs? Why are only the embryos which are implanted inside living, breathing women worth being saved, but these others are simply medical waste?
The answer, of course, is that they can't be used as an attempt to control women when the mass of cells is in a Petri dish, so who cares about them? Certainly not the rabid right-to-lifers.
Understood. Anyway, I would like to point out that I certainly cannot feel like an equal to people such as yourself until after I will get surgically castrated. Seriously.
My wife had her tubes tied and got pregnant 11 years later, so that is not guaranteed. The doctor who delivered our son said that there should have been no way for her to get pregnant.
In sorry, that must of been very difficult to handle. I understand there are risks, but my husband has had a vasectomy, the tubal is just for my piece of mind.
I just think it's antiquated, discriminatory and belittling when a Dr won't perform the surgery because THEY believe I'm "too young" to know what I want and that I may one day want kids. It's incredibly frustrating.
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I'm totally lost on the entire castration discussion, too.
Look at his history he has some sort of psychological obsession or fetish abiut being castrated.
The answer, of course, is that they can't be used as an attempt to control women when the mass of cells is in a Petri dish, so who cares about them? Certainly not the rabid right-to-lifers.
I'm not a right to lifer as I'm somewhere in the middle on this issue but I can assure you that in many cases, the protests are FAR more about the notion of taking a human life than they are about some desire to "control women". You ARE aware that there are many women themselves who are pro-life, right?
In sorry, that must of been very difficult to handle. I understand there are risks, but my husband has had a vasectomy, the tubal is just for my piece of mind.
I just think it's antiquated, discriminatory and belittling when a Dr won't perform the surgery because THEY believe I'm "too young" to know what I want and that I may one day want kids. It's incredibly frustrating.
Look at his history he has some sort of psychological obsession or fetish abiut being castrated.
I'm not a right to lifer as I'm somewhere in the middle on this issue but I can assure you that in many cases, the protests are FAR more about the notion of taking a human life than they are about some desire to "control women". You ARE aware that there are many women themselves who are pro-life, right?
So, why aren't the men and women who are against abortion protesting in front on IVF clinics? Why is there no legislation being introduced to curtail IVF as there is to curtail abortion? We are constantly being bombarded with new laws designed to make abortions harder to obtain....why not the same for IVF?
Why all the concern for an embryo in the womb and none at all for an embryo in a petri dish?
In fact, I would argue, IVF is worse than abortion.
At least the embryo terminated during an abortion was created BY ACCIDENT, unlike the embryos terminated during IVF, that are created ON PURPOSE, knowing full well you are going to kill a bunch of them.
If it is not about controlling women, what is it about? It certainly isn't about "innocent life".
So, why aren't the men and women who are against abortion protesting in front on IVF clinics? Why is there no legislation being introduced to curtail IVF as there is to curtail abortion? We are constantly being bombarded with new laws designed to make abortions harder to obtain....why not the same for IVF?
Why all the concern for an embryo in the womb and none at all for an embryo in a petri dish?
In fact, I would argue, IVF is worse than abortion.
At least the embryo terminated during an abortion was created BY ACCIDENT, unlike the embryos terminated during IVF, that are created ON PURPOSE, knowing full well you are going to kill a bunch of them.
If it is not about controlling women, what is it about? It certainly isn't about "innocent life".
And yes, women can seek to control other women.
This is complete BS! There is a huge debate in the country over stem cell research precisely BECAUSE of the destruction of embryos in the process.
It's complete feminist BS to try and paint this as some "war on women" when it's about the life that is being discarded.
I think on some level pro life advocates are morally compromised by the act themselves but if they pretend that a fetus is not really a life, just a bundle of cells or it's really about "controlling women", then they can feel better about it.
Those arguments get blown out of the water when science considers embryos a human life in it's earliest stages and there are roughly as many WOMEN protesting abortion as there are men.
Women seek to control other women? How would that even work? They'd be actively placing the same limitations of choice or external control on themselves, their own daughters and their own female family members as well. That seems awful self defeating and with the numbers of women who come out against abortion, I'd say it's much more likely to be about the life than it is control over women.
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