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Old 03-14-2016, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I think it is pretty ridiculous that people are getting all law and order on the man. (Take responsibility!) But many are likely to defend a womans right to walk away and try to never talk in the same way about women aborting.

Pretty hypocritical.
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Old 03-14-2016, 11:20 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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OK, you're a guy with a gal. Mistakenly you impregnate her. She decides she's going to abort the child. You say no. But you have no right to that child no matter how you want it. She has the abortion. Case closed.

Well, new scenario.

You're a guy and a gal. Mistakenly you impregnate her. She wants to keep the child, you don't. She's going to have it no matter what you want and you are forced to an obligation of 18 years to support this child at the minimum - monetarily.

What if you could abort the child legally? She still gets to have the child, only you are now legally disconnected from the obligation. This would come at a price of no rights of visitation also.

So what's wrong with it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...al-group-says/
There is no mistakingly getting a woman pregnant, if a guy cannot wear protection and expects the woman to do all the birth control, then he is an idiot and deserves to pay for raising the child, though the child does not deserve that idiot for a father. If a guy is having unprotected sex with a woman, then he should anticipate her getting pregnant and pay the consequences. But somehow Dudes have this idea that it is the womans responsiblity to think about the risk of having a child, till he finds he is liable for the expense.
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Old 03-15-2016, 02:08 AM
 
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Child support is a "punishment" for the father? That may be how YOU view it, but it's not designed to be that. Sorry. It IS for the benefit of the child whether you like how it has been administered or not.
It is. It's not punishment. Once the child is here it's to society's benefit that said child is cared for. Is it "fair" that abort or not abort relies mostly on the mother? Not really. But biology isn't fair. Many people (not saying the OP) who are anti-abortion like to bring up similar points and I often wonder how comfortable they would be with forced abortions against the woman's will. If they are comfortable with that, then there is no way their stance has anything to do with personhood or the rights of the fetus.
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:17 AM
 
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Which is both a sexist argument and insulting to women. Men can take responsibility for their contraception, as can women. If your belief is that men do not, then that is a sexist argument, if your belief is that women do not, then that is also a sexist argument. It is not the sole responsibility of men to ensure there are no accidents, do you believe that women are incapable of ensuring the same?
What a singularly ignorant statement...


Without even looking it up, I feel pretty safe stating: women of child bearing age, actively practice birth control orders of magnitude more then their male counterparts.
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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OK, you're a guy with a gal. Mistakenly you impregnate her. She decides she's going to abort the child. You say no. But you have no right to that child no matter how you want it. She has the abortion. Case closed.

Well, new scenario.

You're a guy and a gal. Mistakenly you impregnate her. She wants to keep the child, you don't. She's going to have it no matter what you want and you are forced to an obligation of 18 years to support this child at the minimum - monetarily.

What if you could abort the child legally? She still gets to have the child, only you are now legally disconnected from the obligation. This would come at a price of no rights of visitation also.

So what's wrong with it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...al-group-says/


What is wrong with it?


I'll tell you......why should taxpayers have to pick up the tab when they were not involved in the conception of the child?


If not for the father, there would be no child, HIS actions helped cause the child, therefore, his responsibility comes before that of the taxpayers.


The mother and father are equally responsible for financially caring for their offspring, they should be forced to support the child before innocent taxpayers are dragged into it.


As a taxpayer, how do YOU feel about being forced to support some other man's child just because he doesn't want to?


Don't the men who make this argument realize they are asking for higher taxes to pay for other men's children?
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:31 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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A fetus is as much a part of the fathers body as it is the mothers.

Really?


Let me know when doctors start giving men pre-natal vitamins and telling them they can't have any alcohol or coffee during the pregnancy.

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Old 03-15-2016, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Both a man and a woman take an equal chance of an unexpected pregnancy when they engage in consensual sex. Both need to accept the responsibility equally if a child is born. If one or both don't want the responsibility, get clipped and then you don't have to worry. If you fail to do that consequences are yours to bear.

Then you need to pass a law that doctors cannot refuse to sterilize anyone who is 18 or over.
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I think it is pretty ridiculous that people are getting all law and order on the man. (Take responsibility!) But many are likely to defend a womans right to walk away and try to never talk in the same way about women aborting.

Pretty hypocritical.

Nothing hypocritical about it.


Men do not have to suffer the ordeal of pregnancy.


What should we do to men to equalize the suffering? Hmmm?


If we are going to make everything even-Steven, then we must do something to make men suffer the same as women do, right? Perhaps implant some sort of torture device in men for the duration of the woman's pregnancy. Something that can duplicate the discomfort and pain involved during every stage of pregnancy. Of course, that would include the pain of giving birth......then we turn the dial up to MAXIMUM PAIN! Sounds good to me! {Oh and, if the woman dies during childbirth, the man is going to have to die too.} After all, we have to keep this FAIR.


Women have to suffer the risks and pain of pregnancy so they get to make the abortion decision.....that is fair.


After the child is born, both parents are equally responsible for the welfare of the child......that is fair. The non-custodial parent, man or woman, pays the custodial parent, man or woman, child support.

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Old 03-15-2016, 03:59 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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A fetus is as much a part of the fathers body as it is the mothers.
No it isnt.. the mother carries incubates and gives birth.
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Old 03-15-2016, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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I had this talk with my boys when they got to around 16 years old. Told them that not only is sex outside of marriage a sin, there are terrible ramifications that last a long time for 30 seconds of fun.
Your welcome to believe what you want but hasn't this "sex outside of marriage is a sin" line been proven to be ineffective.....
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