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Old 03-20-2016, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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1. "top 10" doesnt negate my point, since I clearly argued that the majority of black people live in red or purple states and who they vote for in the electoral college has nothing to do with local governance since Barack Obama isnt actually the one recruiting industries to those states, their governors and legislators are.

2. As you demonstrated with your native Washington, it is local laws that affect you the most, not state laws and there are more black people in Georgia than in California, Oregon and Washington combined.

3. last, wage gap is a flawed argument when you are talking about the well being of black people as a whole. When doing so, you are actually comparing, at least in this example, state to state. Are black people in Washington doing worse than black people in say Georgia, Mississippi or Texas ?
First off, most blacks do not live in red states, factually inaccurate statement. I believe that blacks with a median income of $25K in Seattle compared to $70K median for whites means that they are doing worse in Seattle than Mississippi and especially Georgia where you have a black wealth class.
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Old 03-20-2016, 07:58 AM
 
Location: a declining nation
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Is "working class" the code word for white?
No, working class has always meant blue collar workers.

Libs today want to redefine everything to be race related don't they ?
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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The New York Post is a Republican paper. Kyle Smith an entertaiment critic, and his "analysis" is based on reading a book by a conservative writer, Thomas Frank. Given The Post's political alignment and his embrace of Frank's book, I don't think Smith is a liberal.
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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No, working class has always meant blue collar workers.

Libs today want to redefine everything to be race related don't they ?
Except that until the 1970s, few blacks were allowed to be blue collar factory workers, so they couldn't be working class, either.

Righties always like to play semantics and ignore historical facts that don't fit with their fantasy of "the good old days" being so wonderful.
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:37 AM
 
Location: a declining nation
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Except that until the 1970s, few blacks were allowed to be blue collar factory workers, so they couldn't be working class, either.

Righties always like to play semantics and ignore historical facts that don't fit with their fantasy of "the good old days" being so wonderful.
Blue collar workers are anyone that does manual labor often paid by the hour.

Blacks didn't get into the mfg factories because the unions didn't allow them.

I'll take the BLS definition and stats table over your revisionist definition thank you.
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:44 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Blue collar workers are anyone that does manual labor often paid by the hour.

Blacks didn't get into the mfg factories because the unions didn't allow them.
And the unions are... all together now... LEFT-WING, DEMOCRATS.
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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Is "working class" the code word for white?
did i just hear you insult all the black workers in America?

There are a lot of them, including high proportions in the armed forces.

besides, what does that have to do with policies that hurt working americans, and americans who want to be working?
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Gezz people, guess you are all rich pigs with 401k accounts.

Both parties are pawns to Wall Street! Follow the stentch of the .money trail.

Gender, color, even religion don't matter. This is about income disparity!!!

It's about, the 7.3 trillion dollars was stolen from middle class American home owners under Bush and Obama.

It about blue collar folks being worse off today than in the past. It's about the insane concentration of wealth.

A large swath the people are waking up. It is not about conservative or liberal, it is about the Establishment and how crooked it is.

Both parties are rotten. The Establishment is rotten. This is why Bernie and Donald are both making waves.


We gave Obummer 2 terms to fix it Bush's blunders... But, Obummer sided with the Wall Street / fat Goldman Sachs pigs, and screwed the poor working class too.

This is real simple:
So what do you pay your daycare worker?
What do you pay your lawyers?

See your problem?

It is time for political revolution! If you people oppress Bernie and vote for Hillary, then we will have to resort to Trump, for upsetting the apple cart. Hehehe
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Old 03-20-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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I love the "both parties do it" stance. Because having a pervasive viewpoint that tight government controls and regulations which inhibits low skill jobs from blooming is better then having the argument that government should be as least intrusive as possible thus increasing availible jobs is totally the same thing.
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Old 03-20-2016, 11:57 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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First off, most blacks do not live in red states, factually inaccurate statement. I believe that blacks with a median income of $25K in Seattle compared to $70K median for whites means that they are doing worse in Seattle than Mississippi and especially Georgia where you have a black wealth class.
More black people live in red states and purple states( and purple states like Michgian and Ohio are red at a local level)

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The Majority of African Americans in this nation live in states governed by Conservatives.

Florida(2) 2,999,862
Texas(3) 2,979,598
Georgia(4) 2,950,435
North Carolina (6) 2,048,628
Louisiana (10) 1,452,396
Ohio (11)1,407,681
Michigan (12) 1,400,362
Pennsylvania (13) 1,377,689
South Carolina (14) 1,290,684
Alabama (15)1,251,311
Mississippi(17)1,074,200
Tennessee (18) 1,055,689
Missouri (19) 704,043
Indiana(20) 591,397


in total the 24 states with republican of the Governorship and both Houses of Legislature(or one in the Case of Nebraska) equals about 25 million.

In comparison, there are only about 42 million African Americans in this nation. In other words, Conservatives and Republicans govern 59% of African Americans.

Your argument is flawed based on your own original premise.

It doesnt matter who African Americans vote for, their states electoral college still goes to the Republican candidate in Presidential elections with the exception of Florida, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. And on a State Level, republicans still control it as well.
this post is from a while ago, so Obviously Pennsylvania and Louisiana have Democratic governors now, bu you get the point of how you are wrong.

As for Mississippi and Georgia vs Washington state, if you actually have the numbers to back that claim up, please post them. And im not talking about the claim to a wealth gap.

You have a rigth to beleive that the "wealth gap" matters more than the actual well being of the individual, but I dont.

White people making 70K vs Black people making 25K in my opinion is not worse than White people making 40K and Black people making 15K( which is most likely what you will find when comparing Washington to Mississippi

The wealth gap being smaller doesnt make anyone's life better, and yet that seems to be what you are arguing.
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