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Actually, AA is okay with them as long as it benefits anyone else BUT us!
Someone a lot smarter than me once said, 'There's no such thing as a conscious hypocrite.' (Huxley?)
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
But they can forget it. I ain't putting down Affirmative Action until historical wrongs are redressed.
One would think folks who claim to appreciate the Constitution would recognize discrimination based on race, creed, gender, national origin or sexual orientation is contrary to the Constitutional principles & policies of the United States?
& how is it helpful to deny the historical wrongs?
Someone a lot smarter than me once said, 'There's no such thing as a conscious hypocrite.' (Huxley?)
One would think folks who claim to appreciate the Constitution would recognize discrimination based on race, creed, gender, national origin or sexual orientation is contrary to the Constitutional principles & policies of the United States?
& how is it helpful to deny the historical wrongs?
There are constitutional questions on affirmative action particularly the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. It is hard to address historical wrongs in some areas and still have equal protection under the law.
There are constitutional questions on affirmative action particularly the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. It is hard to address historical wrongs in some areas and still have equal protection under the law.
Of course there are & of course it's challenging! There are no perfect solutions (nirvana fallacy).
There are constitutional questions on affirmative action particularly the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. It is hard to address historical wrongs in some areas and still have equal protection under the law.
Yeah, it's not easy.
But somehow, folks found a way to disenfranchise millions of black people in every facet of American life. That couldn't have been easy, but lots of American sweat and effort went into it.
So let's give equal effort into fixing the mess that was started.
Of course. We should all condemn a lot of things, but that pesky human nature will always interfere.
As previously stated, Affirmative Action is the grand bargain to which we all agreed. Affirmative Action is a fancy way of acknowledging that society- both black and white- expects nothing of substance from black folks. It is an admission, again accepted by both camps, that blacks are too stupid to pass police tests, gain admission to a decent college, score well on placement tests, procure decent employment, etc.
Rather than expecting blacks to show drive and excel- something they are fully capable of- we prefer to create a parallel universe and pretend, drinking ourselves silly on faux platitudes, slogans, and slanderous accusations that would make McCarthy blush.
It is rather disheartening to see so many well-intentioned whites who still think of blacks as hapless boobs. It is insane that so many blacks agree with them. So be it. This is what you wanted.
Of course. We should all condemn a lot of things, but that pesky human nature will always interfere.
As previously stated, Affirmative Action is the grand bargain to which we all agreed. Affirmative Action is a fancy way of acknowledging that society- both black and white- expects nothing of substance from black folks. It is an admission, again accepted by both camps, that blacks are too stupid to pass police tests, gain admission to a decent college, score well on placement tests, procure decent employment, etc.
Rather than expecting blacks to show drive and excel- something they are fully capable of- we prefer to create a parallel universe and pretend, drinking ourselves silly on faux platitudes, slogans, and slanderous accusations that would make McCarthy blush.
It is rather disheartening to see so many well-intentioned whites who still think of blacks as hapless boobs. It is insane that so many blacks agree with them. So be it. This is what you wanted.
You got it.
So what does it say about White people since White women are the biggest benefactor of it?
I agree perception is at issue, but it is my opinion based on a in depth knowledge of these programs that the media and general prejudice is used as a basis for this so-called negative perception of black Americans.
Also as stated, black Americans have always been perceived negatively. No specific program, like AA or any others has contributed to a more negative view.
A while ago, I re-read a famous book by WEB DuBois called "Souls of Black Folk." In that book he speaks of negative stereotypes that were widely believed in his era. The book was published in 1903 and those stereotypes of black people as lazy, uneducated, and criminal were the same in the 19th and early 20th century as it is today. Also that we cannot do anything without the white man's assistance, similar to the AA debate of this thread.
These perceptions, luckily are not held 100% by black people about ourselves, but many black people do hold them of the black demographic. I personally believe the OP is one of those black people as it is not uncommon to find black people who believe that other blacks need to....basically impress white people in order to get "better treatment." If this argument is not about AA it will be about something else in regards to black Americans.
So what does it say about White people since White women are the biggest benefactor of it?
It says the obvious. We would rather pretend and disregard the consequences than actually treat black folks like equals.
Facing reality is unpleasant for humans.
In a way, AA is somewhat like what happens in Japan. In order to "save face" Japanese companies rarely fire anyone. They transition them to "window gazers" where they do little of consequence and spend their "careers" staring out the window. Rather than getting rid of people, who could regroup, retool, and find something better, they would rather pretend.
It says the obvious. We would rather pretend and disregard the consequences than actually treat black folks like equals.
Facing reality is unpleasant for humans.
In a way, AA is somewhat like what happens in Japan. In order to "save face" Japanese companies rarely fire anyone. They transition them to "window gazers" where they do little of consequence and spend their "careers" staring out the window. Rather than getting rid of people, who could regroup, retool, and find something better, they would rather pretend.
Affirmative Action is our version of Saving Face.
Wait wait wait... I ask you what AA means about White people since they are the biggest benefactor of it, and you STILL find a way to turn it around to blame Blacks?
So according to you, when Whites get ahead b/c of "AA" it's all good, says nothing about how we are afraid of letting Whites get by on their own, etc.
But when Blacks get ahead b/c of "AA" it means we think they're stupid and can't get by on their own.
Who needs to make up stories about how Blacks are treated when the words are coming straight from the horse's mouth?
We have more important things to condemn, things like fatty foods, over sweetened Kool-Aide and Tyler Perry movies.
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