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Old 03-18-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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to one party or the other, so we can vote in the primary!

U.S. Supreme Court orders Montana to respond to GOP primary concerns | News | billingsgazette.com

That's OK, we can register before every primary as the party we want to, if necessary, so we can vote.
As a registered Independent, apparently I won't be able to vote in a closed primary.
As it is now, I get both ballots, and choose the one I want to vote on. The other ballot is thrown away.
So, I get to vote against hillary on either a democrat or republican ballot!
forced! who creates these laws? I think- as we don't really count- that all should be independent period! that will solve a lot of bickering and problems. Just like voting for a major- all sides just VOTE
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Old 03-18-2016, 07:16 PM
 
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I'm not arguing that voting is a private process, but the choosing of a party's candidate is to an extent. You don't want to join then you don't get to choose.
Watch....we will soon get that changed....if my taxes are paying for the process I have a right to vote.

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Same theory. Why should you be allowed to have a say in in who the Republicans/Democrats/Greens/Socialist Workers put forth as a candidate. You don't have any skin in that particular game.
I do. See above.
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Old 03-18-2016, 07:18 PM
 
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That is what the General Election is, when the general public gets to vote on candidates that we selected by their parties. If you want to be involved in those selections, then it is best to pick a party unless you live in a state that allowed open primary voting.
I've covered this. I don't want to vote straight party. My taxes are paying for the elections. I will soon get a say no matter what party. (I)'s in many places are now or will soon outnumber (R)'s and (D)'s and have a right to vote on their representatives.
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Old 03-18-2016, 07:19 PM
 
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We do have skin in the game when our tax dollars go towards supporting what is purely a party function... a nominating election. Public financing provided for the polling places, the poll workers, the ballot printing, the election monitoring, the ballot machines, the vote counters, etc.

I pay for the privilege...
Beat me to it.
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Old 03-18-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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I hate that so many states are closed. I sort of don't really care for caucuses either. Open Primaries >>>>
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Old 03-18-2016, 09:17 PM
 
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I've covered this. I don't want to vote straight party. My taxes are paying for the elections. I will soon get a say no matter what party. (I)'s in many places are now or will soon outnumber (R)'s and (D)'s and have a right to vote on their representatives.
Too bad, if people not registered to a party thinks they should have a say on what random parties pick as their nominees, then we should be able to vote in all primaries for both Republicans and Democrats. But that isn't how things are done, even in open primaries. If you want a say in who a party nominates, then you need to suck it up and select that political party.
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Old 03-18-2016, 09:48 PM
 
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Too bad, if people not registered to a party thinks they should have a say on what random parties pick as their nominees, then we should be able to vote in all primaries for both Republicans and Democrats.
What exactly do you think that the argument has been?

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But that isn't how things are done, even in open primaries. If you want a say in who a party nominates, then you need to suck it up and select that political party.
The failed ways of the past are coming to an end.
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Old 03-18-2016, 10:28 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Correct, and the parties should not be dictating how we vote.

They dont, you have the freedom to vote for whoever you want in a general election, but a party primary, caucus,convention is just that, a mechanism for party members to choose a nominee to go up against the other nominees of other parties or independents.

You are making your argument as if party primaries are public affairs when in reality they are not,they are tools of the party itself. If a party so chooses, they could actually end the primary system and go back to delegates selected completely at the convention and have the candidates lobby for their votes. ( there are some states were the system of primary is part of the state Constitution, so excluding them)
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Old 03-18-2016, 10:30 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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No I can't. I stated why. If I like the (R) candidate for president and the (D) candidate for Senate, why should I have to forfeit any say for one of them in the primaries?

I self identify in siding with the best candidate.
You want Louisiana and California's primary system then,
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Old 03-18-2016, 10:35 PM
 
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What exactly do you think that the argument has been?



The failed ways of the past are coming to an end.
I doubt it, it isn't in the best interest of political parties to let people not registered to their party to vote on their nominees. If you want to vote in a primary for a specific party, then you should suck it up and pick a party.
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