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The refugee situation is complicated, and your question is a good one. Not all people with liberal values "want to bring muslim refugees to the states". Some do. Some want to bring some, some want all who wish to come, some want none. As someone who has progressive leanings, I am also often confused when many on the left so vehemently support anything Islam (and even deny that there is a problem with the radical views of a subset of their population), yet at the same time they support feminism. I am one of those progressives who loathes the "Regressive Left", and many of their absurd stances. On the issue of refugees, though, I think many liberals are looking past the issue of the refugees being muslim, and just looking at the fact that they are human beings. I am a humanist, and though I disagree with Islam to the nth degree, I also support equal rights and don't use one's religion as a sole factor refusing their status as a refugee. I don't want hoards of refugees entering the country (no matter their religion), but I think a reasonable and internationally cooperative initiative to place innocent refugees in places throughout the world with proper vetting is reasonable (including the US). What I (and many others) support most, however is foreign policy that doesn't include going to war with the wrong country, destabilizing regions, and using corporate welfare to support sanctioned dictators (like the Saudis) due to oil interest, but I digress....
Hope that answers some of your question, at least from my point of view.
As one who doesn't define myself with current labels but would not identify as humanist nor progressive in the media defined, nor liberal in the poli-sci, definitions...
I've never really understood how the Republicans weren't able to tap into the conservatism of Muslims in America.
They are very family oriented in the traditional sense, and very industrious and religiously conservative.
Muslims in the US have much more common values wise with conservatives--than they do with Liberals.
On the otherhand, I definitely agree with conservatives in placing a hold on the importation of refugees en mass from certain countries. I don't know if people are familiar with just how Isis was founded, and it was primarily due to an influx of Jihadists from other radicalized Muslim countries; that's something we certainly don't need to import at this time.
Many liberals support bringing muslim refugees to the states, yet muslims fundamentally hate what liberals stand for. I'm not being facetious here; can someone help me understand, or point out where I err?
No contradiction for true liberals, if the tenets of American liberalism is acceptance of people regardless of their sex, ethnicity, race, creed, religion, or national origin where is the contradiction?
No contradiction for true liberals, if the tenets of American liberalism is acceptance of people regardless of their sex, ethnicity, race, creed, religion, or national origin where is the contradiction?
US liberals don't even remotely correspond to the dictionary definition of true liberals. Modern progressive liberals don't accept people regardless of anything, they accept people who think and vote like they do.
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Many liberals support bringing muslim refugees to the states, yet muslims fundamentally hate what liberals stand for. I'm not being facetious here; can someone help me understand, or point out where I err?
The safety and well being of an individual is more important than whether or not they agree with you politically.
Also, ones personal religious beliefs means nothing in a nation of laws when it comes to public governance.
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US liberals don't even remotely correspond to the dictionary definition of true liberals. .
the word "True liberal" appears in no dictionary, so none of this matters. Both of you are just making up definitions.
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Modern progressive liberals don't accept people regardless of anything, they accept people who think and vote like they do
This however, is not even close to true, and liberal and progressive are separate ideologies.
The bold is far more true of conservatives than it is of Liberals. Conservatism can exist within liberalism, but the same is not true of Liberalism inside of conservatism.
Gay rights alone shows you that. If conservatives had their way, 2 gay men wouldnt even be able to legally live together, let alone, get married , yet Liberalism doesnt forbid religious marriages.
the word "True liberal" appears in no dictionary, so none of this matters. Both of you are just making up definitions.
This however, is not even close to true, and liberal and progressive are separate ideologies.
The bold is far more true of conservatives than it is of Liberals. Conservatism can exist within liberalism, but the same is not true of Liberalism inside of conservatism.
Gay rights alone shows you that. If conservatives had their way, 2 gay men wouldnt even be able to legally live together, let alone, get married , yet Liberalism doesnt forbid religious marriages.
No liberal has a polo sci definition. Not adhered to in current terminology. Just as conservative has been hijacked.
the word "True liberal" appears in no dictionary, so none of this matters. Both of you are just making up definitions.
This however, is not even close to true, and liberal and progressive are separate ideologies.
The bold is far more true of conservatives than it is of Liberals. Conservatism can exist within liberalism, but the same is not true of Liberalism inside of conservatism.
Gay rights alone shows you that. If conservatives had their way, 2 gay men wouldnt even be able to legally live together, let alone, get married , yet Liberalism doesnt forbid religious marriages.
I beg to differ. I'm a conservative Republican, and I don't care who lives with whom. I'm not alone in my feelings among conservatives. I lean to center (or slightly left) in most social aspects but to the right in fiscal aspects. I'm never happy with all the stands made by either Republican or Democratic parties but believe conservative fiscal policies are too important to go against.
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