Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Start Ups (generations, stats, independent)
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i can tell you right up front that it's very difficult to actually determine the top talent and whether they are underpaid. companies and their experts decide whether it's the top talent they need.
You mean a company determining talent for the purposes of hiring? Sure.
But we're not talking about the company. We're talking about the work visa system. And no, the work visa system does not even attempt to determine what is top talent and what is not.
In fact the work visa system actively works against people who are trying to bring in top talent, by randomly accepting applications based on a lottery.
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Originally Posted by Costaexpress
they can put someone in a lower paid category and that employee is not underpaid. there are so many ways for companies to do that. how are you going to police that?
Easy. You have the government accept a fixed number of visas, and you start with the highest wage offered and work down. Wages serve as an excellent proxy for a worker's skill level and overall value.
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so much for the right-wing ideologies, if you mean pro-immigration. that is shared with the left, for which any resistance to immigration is racist.
The right-wing has been pro-outsourcing for the past 30 years.
Now, suddenly, they've had their "come to Jesus" moment, and they've declared that outsourcing was a "liberal" idea all along.
Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. If you need to consider H-1B a "liberal" program, in order for you to oppose it -- fine. I'm not going to sit here and help you sort out your internal psychological problems.
You mean a company determining talent for the purposes of hiring? Sure.
But we're not talking about the company. We're talking about the work visa system. And no, the work visa system does not even attempt to determine what is top talent and what is not.
In fact the work visa system actively works against people who are trying to bring in top talent, by randomly accepting applications based on a lottery.
Easy. You have the government accept a fixed number of visas, and you start with the highest wage offered and work down. Wages serve as an excellent proxy for a worker's skill level and overall value.
The right-wing has been pro-outsourcing for the past 30 years.
Now, suddenly, they've had their "come to Jesus" moment, and they've declared that outsourcing was a "liberal" idea all along.
Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. If you need to consider H-1B a "liberal" program, in order for you to oppose it -- fine. I'm not going to sit here and help you sort out your internal psychological problems.
It's the American consumers, aka, we the people, want cheaper and cheaper products and services.
Please provide me an idea that would lower the prices without outsourcing.
You mean a company determining talent for the purposes of hiring? Sure.
But we're not talking about the company. We're talking about the work visa system. And no, the work visa system does not even attempt to determine what is top talent and what is not.
In fact the work visa system actively works against people who are trying to bring in top talent, by randomly accepting applications based on a lottery.
Easy. You have the government accept a fixed number of visas, and you start with the highest wage offered and work down. Wages serve as an excellent proxy for a worker's skill level and overall value.
The right-wing has been pro-outsourcing for the past 30 years.
Now, suddenly, they've had their "come to Jesus" moment, and they've declared that outsourcing was a "liberal" idea all along.
Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. If you need to consider H-1B a "liberal" program, in order for you to oppose it -- fine. I'm not going to sit here and help you sort out your internal psychological problems.
no one says h1b is a liberal program. it's a corporate program. both parties support it, and you seem to focus solely on corporate republicans.
look, this system is set up this way. do you seriously think that the democrats will try to curtail immigration? that's impossible. and that's one of the reasons they don't want a more authentic liberal like bernie.
in short, the democratic party today is the republican party with gay marriage and minorities. their economic agendas largely overlap. on issues that hurt the american people the most, the democrats stand firmly with corporate republicans. on issues that divide the working people the most, both parties are playing it but the democrats are on the offensive with friendly demographics leaning their way. i see the democrats as getting the best of both worlds: basically, they get whatever corporations want and they also get votes on an engineered demographic structure.
as a person of color, i may benefit from america's new demographic structure; i may harvest gains for sure. but make no mistake, we people of color aren't idiots like the left-wing like to patronize us to be. whatever i can get, i still look down on these people. no matter how much lip service they give me, i still look down on this system.
no one says h1b is a liberal program. it's a corporate program. both parties support it, and you seem to focus solely on corporate republicans.
I'm focusing on corporate Republicans because you posted a link from a right-wing newspaper that references a study from a right-wing think tank that says we need more H-1B visas.
So in my view it's rather topical to be discussing Republicans' contribution to this problem.
I'm focusing on corporate Republicans because you posted a link from a right-wing newspaper that references a study from a right-wing think tank that says we need more H-1B visas.
So in my view it's rather topical to be discussing Republicans' contribution to this problem.
I hate them corporate Democrats... especially New York... where they go on TV and put ads about having corporate welfare and claim to be liberal... liberal BS is what it is... they talk one thing but when it comes down to it, they are no different... and then they go on forums and cry out "corporate Republicans"...
The United States legislature created the H-1B visa, not the American consumer.
The entire United States legislatures are elected democratically by we, the people.
By the way, H1B is not outsourcing.
It's also stupid to focus on H1B, which is 60,000 a year with maximum of 3 years, while we completely ignore 50-70 million illegals ready to take our jobs and welfare and vote for Democrats.
Huh, I didn't realize African Americans and Native Americans were immigrant groups.
Nice logical fallacy. "Minority" has an immigrant selection bias.
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Let's look at this, shall we?
You know they have SBA assisted loans for everyone, as long as they qualify, right?
You also understand that the SBA does not loan money directly to anyone?
Oh look, if you live in a rural area you might also find assistance getting financing..
So I'd be interested in seeing numbers that prove immigrants get these loans in greater numbers than non immigrants. Got those?
Oh you would hmmm? So first you claim there is no bias . Then you through up a bunch of chaff as if other factors nullify the simple identity bias skewing the statistics. If you were a researcher and I was hiring, you wouldn't work for me because you are incompetent. If someone is competent, I'd hire them if they wore a bone in their nose.
I know an ethinic Russian accountant who invited me as a guest to her company Holiday party in another city just two years ago.. Had a few conversations with a few civil engineers. It was the typical minority company contracted out from the city. Kind of hard to convince me when I am sitting in the middle of it.
The statistics are meaningless when trying to prove immigrants are job creators because there is a large selection bias given than most immigrants these days are so called minorities.
The rest I figure goes to established companies meaning that non minority business will hardly be new.
So the statistic is a complete laugher being none other than the obvious result of actually re-distributive planning.
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This isn't a race screed...Its not like the typical non minority city contractors were pure of heart...Its always been corrupt...
However mass immigration doesn't necessarily create jobs or wealth and the stupid statics that ignore the social engineering behind it are a joke. The ones more likely to would be educated legal immigrants. Its not going to be 12 year olds from El Salvador or Syrian refugees.
The entire United States legislatures are elected democratically by we, the people.
By the way, H1B is not outsourcing.
It's also stupid to focus on H1B, which is 60,000 a year with maximum of 3 years, while we completely ignore 50-70 million illegals ready to take our jobs and welfare and vote for Democrats.
The problem with H1B is the indentured servitude aspects of it. With a little reform I'd have no problem with it at all. Its also a side effect of the real estate problem in the Bay area. A basic wage for an office worker is 150k. So they are looking to find any way they can to reduce costs.
I keep telling everyone land rentiiers are the root of all evil. Nobody listens.
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