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Old 03-23-2016, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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A radical is a radical, not sure who is worse, who is better. lol

But in today’s context, it’s absurd to equate Islam and Christianity. Pointing to the Spanish Inquisition tends to undermine the point rather than confirm it: if you have to look back three hundred years to find atrocities, it’s because there are so few of them today. The mass crimes committed under the name of Islam, by contrast, are fresh and openly boasted about.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Where in Islam does it say it is OK to have sex with underage slaves?

In Bible, slavery is perfectly fine. Nobody cares if you had sex with slaves, underage or not.

Besides, who defines underage? Why should we follow your definition?

The Quran in Sura 23:5-6 says:

5 [Most certainly true believers] . . . guard their private parts scrupulously, 6 except with regard to their wives and those who are legally in their possession, for in that case they shall not be blameworthy. (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Quran, vol. 3, p. 237)

The key words are "those who are legally in their possession." Maududi (d. 1979) is a highly respected commentator on the Quran, and he interprets the plain meaning of the clause, saying that sex with slave-girls is lawful.

Maududi writes:

Two categories of women have been excluded from the general command of guarding the private parts: (a) wives, (b) women who are legally in one’s possession, i.e. slave-girls. Thus the verse clearly lays down the law that one is allowed to have sexual relation with one’s slave-girl as with one’s wife, the basis being possession and not marriage. If marriage had been the condition, the slave-girl also would have been included among the wives, and there was no need to mention them separately. (Ibid. p. 241, note 7)


The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war) . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319). (See also Suras 4:3 and 33:50)
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:22 PM
 
Location: USA
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Where in Islam saying it is OK to have sex with underage slaves?

In Bible, slavery is perfectly fine. Nobody cares if you had sex with slaves, underage or not.

Besides, who defines underage? Why should we follow your definition?
Apparently, We can go off of Mohammad marrying a 6 year old and consumating it at 9. Just like Jesus? Apologists always seem to think there is some equivalency between Islam and other religions. Have fun in your favorite Islamic Republic, As an Atheist Ill stick it out in an evil Christian founded country.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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A radical is a radical, not sure who is worse, who is better. lol

But in today’s context, it’s absurd to equate Islam and Christianity. Pointing to the Spanish Inquisition tends to undermine the point rather than confirm it: if you have to look back three hundred years to find atrocities, it’s because there are so few of them today. The mass crimes committed under the name of Islam, by contrast, are fresh and openly boasted about.
Obama, a self claimed Christian, himself ordered more killing of innocent than all the terrorists combined.

How do you justify that?

No religion is good. They are all bad.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Weehawken
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Well when you consider how many Christian and Jewish soldiers have been in Islamic territories over the past few decades, killing in the millions including 500K Iraqi children alone and compare it to the 0 military action from Islamic nations on US soil you can paint yourself a picture of perspective. The extent of Muslim extremism as we know it is the result of western interference.
Or think about the three million Syrians alone are now unable to go to school. They are malnourished, sick, and many go on to have miserable deaths in refugee camps. Orphans have to fend for themselves. What future do they have? Will they seek peace or revenge? ISIS offers high paying salaries to young distressed Arab men and we all know damn well who funds ISIS.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh (via Chicago, via Pittsburgh)
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they both suck. islam sucks more at the moment
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Obama, a self claimed Christian, himself ordered more killing of innocent than all the terrorists combined.

How do you justify that?

No religion is good. They are all bad.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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They were started by Christians.

WW1 was started by a political assassination. It had ZERO to do with Christianity. There was no specifically Christian motivation behind the assassination.

WW2 was started by Adolf Hitler... a believer in SS NeoPaganism and a man decidedly NOT Christian. The Nazi movement created its own State Religion modeled after Nordic Runic Paganism.

You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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they both suck. islam sucks more at the moment
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Christianity convicts us of our sins- and most people absolutely HATE this. Christianity challenges us with Gods standards, and most people want to make their own standards in order to justify their behavior. Yes, there are some "judgemental" Christians that do truly offend others. What I find so ridiculous is the defense of terrorist muslims by saying "look what the Crusaders did hundreds of years ago"- as if that somehow justifies ISIS!
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