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Old 03-25-2016, 09:24 PM
 
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Yes OP we are.

And i'm a millennial.

I have no hope of my generation.

My expectations are pretty low.

But you boomers have a lot to do with that as well.

Don't just blame it on us.
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Old 03-25-2016, 09:24 PM
 
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I look at kids today, needing crisis counseling because someone wrote "Trump 2016" in chalk on a sidewalk, having their parents go WITH them on job interviews, having absolutely zero sense of personal responsibility or ability to handle a crisis and I wonder what's in store for us when they inherit the country.

After all, the youth is the future and WE failed them for enabling and fostering this nonsense that "everyone gets a trophy" or that good parenting is hovering over your kids to the point where they can't function without you.

I truly hope this is just a symptom of the 24/7 news media where we see so many of these stories just because we have access to so much information but I fear it's more systemic and that we are basically screwed.

[b]As others have pointed out, during the greatest generation 18 year olds were storming the beaches in Normandy and today they need crisis counseling because someone wrote the name of a presidential candidate they don't like in chalk.

In my dad's generation, you were EXPECTED to leave the house at 18 and support yourself. Today, you have kids taking their parents with them on job interviews

interviews-whats-an-employer-to-do/#91fd5a545758]Forbes Welcome

We are screwed.
Oh please, every generation thinks the next is just awful. But guess what, they all survive and seem to further the advancement of the planet. Your dad's generation is in the past when people could actually afford to move out when they were 18. That's just not the case anymore. The rising cost of housing far exceeds what many people make these days.
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Old 03-25-2016, 09:25 PM
 
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Since Americans are victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, the entitled mentality of the millennials may backfire once they discover the facts about America.

What facts?
According to the republican form of government, Americans are endowed with (sacred) rights and liberties (i.e. natural rights, natural and personal liberties, absolute ownership, etc, etc.), that government was instituted to secure. And only those who consent are governed (ruled).

Yet, from 1777 onward, it was a fact that all citizens owed mandatory civic duties that effectively waived endowed rights. (Ex: obligatory payment of taxes, militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command, etc.)

. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

BUT
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).
" PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987...

NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, privacy, and good reputation.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324

PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels.
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
(Note: private property and real estate are mutually exclusive. All state constitutions explicitly protect private property ownership. But qualified ownership of estate is subject to ad valorem taxes.)
Apparently, the Declaration of Independence is the beginning of the republican form, where the people have endowed rights that are not subject to the government, nor a vote, nor a democracy.

The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, MILITIA, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

George Washington points out that ALL CITIZENS owe duties to the state (that waive endowed rights) and the Supreme Court holds that such duties are VOLUNTARY.

The only possible conclusion is the assertion of CITIZENSHIP is a voluntary act of consent that imposes duties that void any right to life, liberty or absolute ownership of private property. Yet millions of Americans are led to believe that they are "born subject citizens."

Infants cannot consent.

The law that is in harmony with the REPUBLICAN FORM is still on the books. The sovereign American, free inhabitant, domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of these united States of America retains his endowment of rights (inalienable and natural) and liberties (natural and personal), and oath bound government is his servant, not his master.

I have not read all law, but I have yet to find a law that trespasses upon the natural and personal liberty of the American national / free inhabitant domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of the united States of America.

However, there ARE voluminous rules, regulations, taxes, and penalties imposed on U.S. citizens / residents, duly enumerated (via FICA), engaged in usury, who reside at residences, registered as real estate, and are obligated to get permission (license) and / or pay taxes to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry, and / or own a dog.

In short, if one has not given consent, all that servant government can do is secure rights, as in prosecute those who deliberately injure the person and property of another. But once consent is given, all bets are off.

Check your own state’s constitution and laws for the explicit protections afforded to private property, absolutely owned by an individual. Verify that no laws trespass upon the people’s natural and personal liberty. Verify that only estate (real and personal property), held with qualified ownership (a privilege), is subject to ad valorem taxes. And see for yourself that non-resident inhabitants who do not have residences, but domiciles, are not obligated to get permission (license) - nor need to.

In short, as one who has not given consent, servant government has no authority to impose a duty, tax or regulation upon you. Your sovereign prerogatives over your domain establish you as one of the people government was instituted to serve. You have the right to life, to liberty, to travel, to absolutely own, to trade, to do any harmless act in pursuit of happiness, as long as you do not impair the rights of others, nor trespass upon them.

That is the blessing that four generations have unknowingly surrendered for access to “entitlements” of national socialism and usury.

SKEPTICAL STILL?
An example of the lost knowledge of our forefathers comes from “The Devil’s Dictionary”, by Ambrose Bierce, a collection of humorous definitions, originally published in a weekly paper starting in 1881.
Apparently his audience knew what he was writing about, though today’s reader would not.
.................................................. ...............
ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(download available from gutenberg.org)
.................................................. ...............
His audience knew what an “American sovereign” was, to understand the joke.

But today's modern socialist American is only aware of being a SUBJECT.
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
(Note: there is only one country with a "republican form" of government)
Are you bound to obedience?

Or are you one of the sovereigns without subjects?
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
- - - Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)
If your comprehension batteries have not discharged, you may now begin to wonder how "sovereigns without subjects" possessing endowed rights and liberties transformed into subject citizens compelled to perform mandatory civic duties, bereft of endowed rights and left with only government granted civil and political liberties.
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Old 03-25-2016, 09:51 PM
 
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I already posted a Washington Post article about how the millennials have lower thinking abilities, math, literacy, and technological problem-solving skills than the prior generation.

GPA doesn't mean much, especially with rampant grade inflation.

Same Performance, Better Grades - The Atlantic
Well I guess this includes your kids since of course articles are always correct
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Old 03-26-2016, 01:44 AM
 
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No.

Researchers say Western IQs dropped 14 points over last century

Furthermore, NAEP scores are a very sad commentary on US K-12 education:

U.S. public schools educate only 26% of all public school students to even basic grade-level proficiency in math, 38% in reading, by 12th grade.

NAEP - Mathematics and Reading 2013

That in and of itself is bad enough, butpay very careful attention to the much lower basic proficiency percentages for Black students.

Black students' basic math proficiency percentage by 12th grade: 7%
Basic reading proficiency percentage by 12th grade: 16%
That's because we are a multiracial country. Our blacks and latinos are smarter than other africans and latinos. Our whites and asians are near the top with other countries.
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Old 03-26-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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"Are we pretty much screwed once the millenials inherit the country?"

No, the babyboomers beat us to it.

We're already screwed. I don't see how Millennials could do any worse if they tried.
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Old 03-26-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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Oh please, every generation thinks the next is just awful. But guess what, they all survive and seem to further the advancement of the planet. Your dad's generation is in the past when people could actually afford to move out when they were 18. That's just not the case anymore. The rising cost of housing far exceeds what many people make these days.
actually have to agree with this.

almost daily i see millennials washing cars for charity, picking up debris on the beaches, carrying turtles across the road, and doing a lot of other nice things. We just seem to have media portraying americans (and all the generations) badly.

and i agree that housing has to be addressed by the next president, as does the debt load.
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Old 03-26-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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Oh my god, relax. You guys sound like old curmudgeons. Every single generation, and I do mean every single generation, did the same henny penny whining "this generation is the worst" since the beginning of time. Yet here we all are. Go have a cocktail, sit back & relax. Unnecessary hand flapping is bad for your health.
One thing you are missing those generations had strong adults telling the kids to get over it! Most of us came from families were hard work was a part of life, not something one had to learn. Your go have a "cocktail" is exactly why parents have chosen to spend more time with themselves and some relaxing device rather than time teaching their kids the way of the world.......after all school will do this for them!


Seems most of this started with every child gets a trophy and "my kid is going to college." Some people tend to be ashamed of their child taking on a job that they didn't go into debt for.


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Darn kids with their rock n roll and long hair!
One difference rock and roll was more about drugs and sex.......leads to love!


Todays music is between syrupy and violent! Music put out by women singers today are not empowering and seem to be filled with confusion. The men tend to speak about ultra violence on police and others, and speak about women in degrading ways..........no Robert Plant!


http://deliciousblogalicious.blogspo...c-and-its.html
Think about the most recent songs you’ve heard on the radio. I’d bet any amount of money, a vast majority of those songs degrade women in some way. Whether it’s using a term like “*****” or “****” or simply portraying women as a sex symbol; scarcely covered and lacking intelligence, but always willing to please their man in the bedroom, these lyrics are constantly being heard on the radio, at clubs, and even on television. Everywhere you look and listen, women are constantly being portrayed as everything but a woman: sex symbols, prostitutes, strippers, brainless sluts, all whose only role is to obey their man. We see it so often that it becomes part of everyday life. It becomes what we begin think and what we feel. Tarshia Stanley, a teacher of images of women in the media says, "it's what you see 1,000 times. It begins to make inroads into your thought processes. It becomes life for (consumers) because they try to live out these things that they see and that they hear." (Thrash) Children and teenagers see what goes on in music videos and hear what occurs in songs and they want to do exactly what is being done. Alcohol, violence and sex is easily accessible through these lyrics and therefore, children and teenagers want to participate in these activities. Women start acting like sluts, which results in transmission of STDs and teenage pregnancy and men start acting violent thinking it’s okay to mistreat women, all because of what is heard in these lyrics.


Degrading women through rap lyrics has unfortunately become “the norm” and Alves is making an effort to ensure that the reoccurring cycle is broken.


Where are the people speaking out against this? Country music has also involved into every song being "Daisy Duke Shorts" country music has been hijacked and is no longer country & western music!

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Old 03-26-2016, 01:04 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Like I said. We are doing just fine.
No, you're not.

Again...

Failure to Launch: The Lost Generation

https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-conten...FullReport.pdf
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Old 03-26-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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That's because we are a multiracial country. Our blacks and latinos are smarter than other africans and latinos. Our whites and asians are near the top with other countries.
WESTERN IQs dropped 14 points. As in, the WESTERN Hemisphere (including Scandinavian and European countries). Not just the US.
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