Latinos vs. blacks: Lessons in civil rights and power

[Costaexpress]

not so fast, guys, not so fast.

you did not understand my post. i wasn't ranting against latinos or blacks. instead, i was talking about how groups can learn from others' success. latinos have apparently entered the center stage of politics. what are the lessons. i think some of the ones i listed can be applicable to other groups.

i myself is a member of a minority group and a person of color. i know that the size of your population---how many people of your kind there are in america---directly affects how you are treated. if you are invisible or are small, you have always been marginalized and beaten up by the majority. so a high birth rate, for instance, isn't a bad thing at all. it's good at empowering a relatively small group. but there are other things i listed that can also work to empower minorities and increase their bargaining power.

many of you, by contrast, are so sensitive to high birth rates, because deep down you aren't happy about other non-white groups increasing their numbers. but it is what it is. and i suggest that you begin to embrace it because it is the future. if a non-white group is united, more power to them.

[ATG5]

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

Just another hit piece by yet another (I presume) white poster trying to pit African-Americans against Latinos. SMH.

It's really sad to see blacks prejudice against Latinos prejudice against blacks. And same with Asians.

Originally Posted by TheWiseWino

A pretty consistent line of argument these days which unsurprisingly comes mainly from quarters that don't give a damn about black folks.

Yup.

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

In one breath right-wing white males bash blacks by pitting (Northeast) Asians against blacks, and on the other hand they try to act concerned about blacks because Latinos are supposedly more racist than whites. They fear competition, ironically. That's why you never really hear them complaining about Asian women or Latina women getting with white guys but Asian and Latina women having kids with men from their own races is creating "anchor babies". When you look at your average Republican supporter, they operate on a zero-sum game mentality where they actually fear competition when the game doesn't go their way and they see ethnic males as the primary threat, and ethnic females who refuse to date white men as anchor baby breeding machines.

Mic drop.

[ReineDeCoeur]

Originally Posted by Costaexpress

not so fast, guys, not so fast.

you did not understand my post. i wasn't ranting against latinos or blacks. instead, i was talking about how groups can learn from others' success. latinos have apparently entered the center stage of politics. what are the lessons. i think some of the ones i listed can be applicable to other groups.

i myself is a member of a minority group and a person of color. i know that the size of your population---how many people of your kind there are in america---directly affects how you are treated. if you are invisible or are small, you have always been marginalized and beaten up by the majority. so a high birth rate, for instance, isn't a bad thing at all. it's good at empowering a relatively small group. but there are other things i listed that can also work to empower minorities and increase their bargaining power.

many of you, by contrast, are so sensitive to high birth rates, because deep down you aren't happy about other non-white groups increasing their numbers. but it is what it is. and i suggest that you begin to embrace it because it is the future. if a non-white group is united, more power to them.

Your post was nonsensical for numerous reasons that have been pointed out. You have yet to address them.

Just to add, Latinos cannot be considered non-white, non-black etc. The people are of all different backgrounds. The Dominican Republic is not Argentina and neither of them are Mexico.

[residinghere2007]

OP, you do not seem to know much about black Americans. I will answer from an historical, especially modern historical perspective on black America

Originally Posted by Costaexpress

Many blacks have been in America for generations. They have deep roots in this country. Many latino immigrants are quite new to this country. Yet, it seems that Latinos have been able to get the media spotlight and the political influence more effectively.

The only historical media spotlight that changed America in any significant way was the Civil Rights Movement which began, was maintained by, and led by black Americans.

Latino Americans have also had their movements and media spotlight but it has never been as widespread as that of black Americans, which is one of the reasons why our media in general attempts to racialize in "black/white" terms most any controversial incident.

In the last thirty years, they have significantly increased their population. On the media, undocumented immigrants almost get more attention than legal immigrants. This isn't an accident, but a result of careful advocacy. It seems that if you speak up, the American Sheeple will simply nod or get confused.

Latinos have increased population mostly due to them now being counted as a seperate category from black and white. FWIW, all demographics in the country have increased in population. The ones that historically have increased the most in our country are Black, Latino, and Asian in the past 30 years.

Blacks do a lot of advocacy, and yet their status and position haven't improved that much. They are still the most discriminated group in the country. They shout their lives matter---and i hear them---yet all that sounds a bit hopeless in tone.

What are the lessons?

This portion initially made me go ....

This statement is evident of the fact that you are not well versed in modern American history. Over 70% of black people in 1960 lived in poverty. Today, over 75% do not. Black people no longer live predominantly in urban ghettos, they live in suburban areas. Black people are the most educated than we have ever been.

Recently from 2010 to 2014 the high school graduation rate of black American youth has increased to over 70% when it was about 50% in 1980. Black females graduate high school at a higher rate than Latinos and an equal rate to whites. Black females (I am a black female BTW so "go us!") are much more likely to go to and finish college than Latino females.

Striving seems to be another key factor. Latinos work very hard and do some of the most demanding jobs in this country. Without them and immigrants, California will come to a stop. Can it be said about blacks?

On the bold yes...

Contrary to what you or others believe over 80% of black people work. Many work in the same capacity of jobs as Latinos.

Be ethnocentric. When you have accumulated wealth, help your family and community.

Black people already do this....

Run an influential media presence.

Black people already do this....

Advocacy: in government, education, etc., advocate for the inclusion of the Spanish language, bilingual services, funding and grants, structural components (caucuses, committees, etc.).

what else?

On the bold, black people already did this....

FWIW, I have no weirdo competition with Latinos as a black woman. I feel that Latinos and Asians and Indians (native Americans) share commonalities with me as a black American due to our shared stories as people of color (POCs) in this country.

However, I suggest you do some research on the black population from 1950 to present. You would be surprised. The general stereotypes of us are left over from the 1970s and are not representative of us as a demographic. I would never suggest that Latinos or Asians haven't had their "status and position" improve much over the years. That would be a flat out lie and what you stated about black people in that comment is the same, a flat out lie and shows an ignorance on modern American history pertaining to black America.

[ReineDeCoeur]

@Residinghere2007 - Well said. Wish I could rep you more!