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Old 03-30-2016, 04:19 PM
 
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Opiate Pain pills+bored teenage kids=18-21 year olds dead from heroin overdoses. There's your research.

The problem with your black and white approach is that the people who want to experience heroin do this regardless of what the law says. But now you have kids who consume adulterated substances with who knows what is mixed in with the heroin. And a whole lot of problems with crime.

Selling it next to the candy isle isn't a solution either (has been done when it was introduced a long time ago - heroin was originally a cough medicine for children) but some kind of controlled access is probably more intelligent than the absolute taboo it is now (and this applies to all substances).
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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screw these addicts and calling it a disease. alcohol, drugs, they're a CHOICE! to put something that's a choice in the same category as cancer or other real illnesses is stupid.

I don't have the answer, but heroin is definitely out of control. It used to be the REALLY bad guy's drug but now it is so rampant. But I am tired of people calling it a disease.
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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Only one post out of four pages from the OP? Legalizing heroin is a bad idea. Decriminalize it and make people do mandatory treatments to detox from it rather than jailing people, but do not make it a legal drug.
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There is a new additive called Fentanyl that is being produced in Mexico and being added to illegal opiates and heroin, it's deadly. People have no idea what they are getting when they buy these illegal drugs.
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:36 PM
 
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There is a new additive called Fentanyl that is being produced in Mexico and being added to illegal opiates and heroin, it's deadly. People have no idea what they are getting when they buy these illegal drugs.
sorry to say this but, it's Darwinian.
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Old 03-30-2016, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Lots of people want to outlaw everything they think is bad. But often, that produces the opposite of their intended results. Here is a clear article on one way to fight the proliferation of heroin.
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A heroin epidemic has been spreading across the United States, expanding enormously for the last several years. With it, the number of people dying has also increased dramatically. While politicians offer failed solutions like “securing the borders,†the real solution is to legalize drugs.

The number of drug overdoses in the US is approaching 50,000 per year. Of that number nearly 20,000 are attributed to legal pain killers, such as Oxycontin. More than 10,000 die of heroin overdoses. I believe these figures vastly underestimate the number of deaths that are related to prescription drug use.

The “face†of the heroin epidemic has changed since the 1960s when it was largely contained to urban “junkies†and Vietnam veterans. In recent years the epidemic spread to suburbia as heroin became a low-cost substitute for other drugs. In more recent times, the epidemic has spread to rural areas such as fishing villages in Maine and coal mining towns in Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

The problem of the epidemic rests with two causes. The first is the War on Drugs which creates profit incentives in the black market for the distribution of the most dangerous drugs. The second is the pharmaceutical-medical-FDA complex, or Big Pharma, which profits from treating pain with dangerous pharmaceutical drugs.

https://mises.org/library/legalizati...eroin-epidemic
Legalize them all. The war on drugs is nothing but a colossal failure! I strongly believe that if just a fraction of the money wasted on this idiot war was used instead for a very comprehensive and ongoing effort in the schools to educate the kids then we would see a reduction much like the other dangerous drug they did this with. Smoking has decreased hugely because of a concerted effort to make it just not socially acceptable.

It will never happen though. We could get rid of half or more of the cops, empty out the jails and save the nation trillions of dollars. There are powerful interests who depend on this "war on drugs".
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Old 03-30-2016, 05:09 PM
 
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Legalize them all. The war on drugs is nothing but a colossal failure! I strongly believe that if just a fraction of the money wasted on this idiot war was used instead for a very comprehensive and ongoing effort in the schools to educate the kids then we would see a reduction much like the other dangerous drug they did this with. Smoking has decreased hugely because of a concerted effort to make it just not socially acceptable.

It will never happen though. We could get rid of half or more of the cops, empty out the jails and save the nation trillions of dollars. There are powerful interests who depend on this "war on drugs".
Exactly. It's not about the drugs, it's not about the users, it's about profits.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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let heroin fly free- moving to Costa Rica- this nation is done!-- zombie time
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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There is a new additive called Fentanyl that is being produced in Mexico and being added to illegal opiates and heroin, it's deadly. People have no idea what they are getting when they buy these illegal drugs.
Fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opiate, has been available by prescription and abused since the late 50's.

Fentanyl patches were introduced in the early 90's. Some addicts score used patches and suck the gel residue.

Fetanyl analogues are made all over the work including Mexico for the purpose of amplifying Heroin and cocaine.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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How many people drink alcohol regularly recreatioinally?

How many people take opiods recreationally regularly? A lot less. 88K vs 28K says nothing about per capita.

Opiates are far more dangerous. Pot is probably less dangerous than alcohol, I wouldn't argue that, but neither compares to opiates. No way should they be legal.
I have taken opiods for over six years for my chronic neuropathic pain and had no problem stopping and now I suffer from never ending pain and I am housebound for two years now. I love how people who never had taken such medications are experts. Opiods have a purpose but of course some people abuse such drugs just like they abuse alcohol, food, gambling and even sex. These are mental issues and should be treated as such. Everyone is different and not everyone is addict who takes these medications to try to survive. Just like a diabetic depends on insulin to survive many people living with chronic pain need these types of medications to have some sort of life.
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