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Nope, if Hobby Lobby did wedding planning and refused to plan a gay wedding, that would be the same. If a florist refused to design and set up floral arrangements, also same. No one has had any problems with gay customers buying items in a store, it's a tired argument to say otherwise.
The private businesses do not want to contract to perform a service for gay weddings, that is all. Contracting means you take an order, you work with that customer to design what they require for their event. Certain expectations need to be met by both parties. It is not walking into a store, paying and walking out with your purchase. It is a relationshipbased on this event which is against the providers religion. It really isn't a great situation and no one should try to force another into such a relationship.
Wrong. HL was allowed to not cover specific medications but had to do so across the board. They could not offer it to some but not others.
You might want to check public accommodation laws. Many include all goods and services offered in a business that is open to the general public. Offering the service of custom made wedding cakes is a service.
Wrong. HL was allowed to not cover specific medications but had to do so across the board. They could not offer it to some but not others.
You might want to check public accommodation laws. Many include all goods and services offered in a business that is open to the general public. Offering the service of custom made wedding cakes is a service.
Exactly. You cannot say the law applies to these people, but since my religion sees other people as sinners, I can discriminate against them, and therefore, the law does not apply to them.
This is not like a doctor refusing to perform an abortion, or a pharmacist who does not want to distribute the morning after pill. This is like refusing to serve a woman food, because she had an abortion or got divorced earlier that day.
I didn't ask what the constitution says I asked "Do YOU believe".
I believe the Constitution. I've stated repeatedly on this forum that I'm a Constitutionalist. Nowhere in the Constitution does it require the prioritization of any protected group's rights over that of any others.
But if the law is, that any two people can be married, you cannot refuse to serve black, or Asian, tall or short, married couples. If divorce is legal, and divorced couples can remarry, you cannot refuse to serve them, or refuse to serve mixed race couples, or same sex couples. You cannot discriminate that way.
Why can a religious merchant/business owner be discriminated against by being forced to act against their religion? Nowhere in the Constitution does it require the prioritization of any protected group's rights over that of any others.
After WHAT wedding? Wouldn't that be a wedding that violates their religion? Why, yes, it would.
For example, Pope Francis just reaffirmed in the document released last Friday that Roman Catholicism's position on gay marriage is that it's prohibited.
There's no way to tell who's married or not unless you've been a part of their wedding.
Relevance? Pope Francis isn't in the catering business.
If your religion prevents you from doing business with all segments of the population, specifically the LGBT community, don't open a public business.
Why is this so difficult for conservatives to understand?
Owning a business = NOT a right.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Why can a religious merchant/business owner be discriminated against by being forced to act against their religion? Nowhere in the Constitution does it require the prioritization of any protected group's rights over that of any others.
Because no one is forcing him to open a business to the public?
Or in other words, can you leagally place a sign on a Coke or candy vending machine, saying "No Blacks, or Gays, or Jews Allowed," just because you either do not like these people, or you claim your religion does not like them.
That's not happening. Not one of the bakeries, caterers, florists, photographers, etc., in dispute refused to sell products/services to gay people other than declining to contract to participate in a same sex wedding ceremony and celebration.
I believe the Constitution. I've stated repeatedly on this forum that I'm a Constitutionalist. Nowhere in the Constitution does it require the prioritization of any protected group's rights over that of any others.
You can't answer an irrelevant question. Nowhere in the Constitution does it require the prioritization of any protected group's rights over that of any others. And the Federal Government doesn't even list sexual orientation as a protected class.
You can't answer an irrelevant question. Nowhere in the Constitution does it require the prioritization of any protected group's rights over that of any others. And the Federal Government doesn't even list sexual orientation as a protected class.
Still dodging.
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