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Old 04-13-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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There are liberal cities in Mississippi too, that doesn't make MS a liberal leaning state.
Utah, on the whole, is very conservative, but Salt Lake City really isn't. Even so, I just don't see Utah, in general, as being much like the Deep South.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:12 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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None of those are BUSINESSES.
Really? "Non-profit CORPORATION"

Just because they're structured to not earn a profit doesn't mean they're not businesses. They have management and employee tiers, they have business expenses that are deducted to offset income. They even have to file their taxes every year.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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only thing the ms bill does, is keeps the state from firing or attaching anyone that refuse service as a vendor of same sex marriage, it protect the vendor from the state. the victim can still sue as a civil case but has to pay for everthing

Now new york and vermont laws are way tougher, they claim the discrimnates cannot sue
I guess you missed the section about adoption, foster agencies, and doctors can deny service too. How many foster or adoption agencies are wedding vendors? How about fertility doctors, and gender reassignment doctors?

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person declines to participate in the provision of treatments, counseling, or surgeries related to sex reassignment or gender identity transitioning or declines to participate in the provision of psychological, counseling, or fertility services
That is not wedding vendor services.

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a religious organization that advertises, provides or facilitates adoption or foster care, wholly or partially on the basis that such organization has provided or declined to provide any adoption or foster care service, or related service, based upon or in a manner consistent with a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction
That isn't a wedding vendor either.

In fact the state now can not remove state funding from either of those agencies that would refuse me service, even though MY taxes are given to them.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Really? "Non-profit CORPORATION"

Just because they're structured to not earn a profit doesn't mean they're not businesses. They have management and employee tiers, they have business expenses that are deducted to offset income. They even have to file their taxes every year.
"religious or denominational institutions," "organizations operated for charitable or educational purposes operated, supervised or controlled by or in connection with a religious organization."

RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. not PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS.

Not the same thing.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:21 PM
 
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Utah, on the whole, is very conservative, but Salt Lake City really isn't. Even so, I just don't see Utah, in general, as being much like the Deep South.
Utah is also filled with people who are just as motivated by business, if not more so, as they are by religious conservatism. Mississippi, eh... not so much.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Utah is also filled with people who are just as motivated by business, if not more so, as they are by religious conservatism. Mississippi, eh... not so much.
What is religious conservatism?
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:39 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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"religious or denominational institutions," "organizations operated for charitable or educational purposes operated, supervised or controlled by or in connection with a religious organization."

RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. not PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS.

Not the same thing.
It creates a legislated religion-based exemption.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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What is religious conservatism?
The motivations of values voters. Their conservatism, especially on social issues, is fueled by their religious beliefs. For example evangelical voters that would ordinarily be more economically lives (in the American sense of the word) but vote Republican because they claim to reflect their religious beliefs.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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It creates a legislated religion-based exemption.
For CHURCHES and religious organizations. Not for BUSINESSES.
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Old 04-13-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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As for the get the picture, it seemed the tax issue went over your head. You singled in on protest concert, giving to LGBT funds rather than fighting the immediate power. I agree, more people NEED to stay engaged in the conversation about the issue all around after the talk dies down for a specific case.
When someone repeatedly writes "went over your head" it's obvious that person's goal is to make others look stupid instead of providing a good rebuttal.

I abhor any type of bigotry, as I've written many times. However, it still doesn't explain why anti-gay laws exist in other states and the same people are "generating revenue" in them. Bryan Adams hasn't canceled a concert on Saturday in Tennessee where an [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tennessee-lgbt-counseling_us_570c4c4de4b0836057a23d63"]anti-LGBT law[/URL] was just passed. Could it be that he sold more tickets in Nashville?

PayPal announced that it won't open an office in Charlotte, a city with a majority Democratic legislature and a Democratic mayor, because of a bill recently signed by the Rep Gov of NC. So punish people in Charlotte who need jobs and keep your offices in Dubai and Moscow open. Sure, that makes a lot of sense. PayPal also generates a lot of business in countries like China where basic human rights are violated, and in Saudi Arabia and Malaysia where they murder gay people. Yet your only answer is that the "tax issue" went over my head. Guess the hypocrisy went over yours.
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