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Nobody is refusing to serve homosexuals. It is about having the right to refuse certain requests made by homosexuals...or anyone else for that matter. Those decisions should remain with the business owner, not the customer and certainly not the government.
I follow your point, but the courts don't agree.
Of all the high publicity refuse to serve gay cases, I don't recall any where the reason was purely based on an individual's sexual orientation. All involved either marriage or, in a case involving custom t-shirts, refusing to make shirts for a gay pride event.
The courts, however, have pretty much considered refusing to serve a ssm the same as discriminating against the people because of their orientation.
In your example, there's no legal issue because wolf hunters aren't a class of people protected from discrimination.
Of all the high publicity refuse to serve gay cases, I don't recall any where the reason was purely based on an individual's sexual orientation. All involved either marriage or, in a case involving custom t-shirts, refusing to make shirts for a gay pride event.
The courts, however, have pretty much considered refusing to serve a ssm the same as discriminating against the people because of their orientation.
In your example, there's no legal issue because wolf hunters aren't a class of people protected from discrimination.
Sexual orientation isn't a federally protected class, either. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid couldn't even make it happen when they had control of the WH, House and Senate in 2009-2011.
Of all the high publicity refuse to serve gay cases, I don't recall any where the reason was purely based on an individual's sexual orientation. All involved either marriage or, in a case involving custom t-shirts, refusing to make shirts for a gay pride event.
The courts, however, have pretty much considered refusing to serve a ssm the same as discriminating against the people because of their orientation.
In your example, there's no legal issue because wolf hunters aren't a class of people protected from discrimination.
I would argue that the bakers refusing to bake the cake are discriminating because the customers were gay or lesbian, but the person not wanting to film a gay wedding is not objecting because of the sexual persuasion of the people, The photographer was objecting to being intimately involved in witnessing the actual ceremony, just as the fictitious photographer in my analogy was opposed to being witness to shooting and skinning of a wolf.
The photographer for the wolf hunt was not objecting to the man, just the activity the man was going to force the photographer to endure by filming it.
The baker would be objecting to baking a cake, because the customers identified themselves as gay. It's like an ACE Hardware employee refusing to sell insect repellent because the customer identified himself as a wolf hunter.
The cake is not required to be married, anymore than insect repellent is required to hunt, skin, and mount a wolf.
I would argue that the bakers refusing to bake the cake are discriminating because the customers were gay or lesbian, but the person not wanting to film a gay wedding is not objecting because of the sexual persuasion of the people, The photographer was objecting to being intimately involved in witnessing the actual ceremony, just as the fictitious photographer in my analogy was opposed to being witness to shooting and skinning of a wolf.
The photographer for the wolf hunt was not objecting to the man, just the activity the man was going to force the photographer to endure by filming it.
The baker would be objecting to baking a cake, because the customers identified themselves as gay. It's like an ACE Hardware employee refusing to sell insect repellent because the customer identified himself as a wolf hunter.
The cake is not required to be married, anymore than insect repellent is required to hunt, skin, and mount a wolf.
You've clearly not ever worked in the bakery profession. How do you think the wedding cake appears at the reception? The bride or groom picks it up that day, brings it over, and sets it up? No. By magic? No.
Bakeries/caterers/photographers/florists/rental companies... anyone contracted to provide goods/services for a wedding is in fact materially involved.
You might want to look into the civil rights act and the reason for it when discussing businesses being able to serve whomever they wish.
Is something like this worth the battle though? Doesn't this just give your cause kind of a black eye?
I think businesses like this that allow their religious beliefs to interfere with business will die a natural death in due course. Social media..business feedback sites like yelp...people will voice what is going on. People will avoid businesses that they consider to be run by bigots.
I just think this issue is far below something that should be on the government's radar.
Sexual orientation isn't a federally protected class, either. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid couldn't even make it happen when they had control of the WH, House and Senate in 2009-2011.
I'm talking about decisions in states with sexual orientation non-discrimination laws. I suppose the D's figured it wouldn't pass in Congress or wasn't worth the effort politically.
I would argue that the bakers refusing to bake the cake are discriminating because the customers were gay or lesbian, but the person not wanting to film a gay wedding is not objecting because of the sexual persuasion of the people, The photographer was objecting to being intimately involved in witnessing the actual ceremony, just as the fictitious photographer in my analogy was opposed to being witness to shooting and skinning of a wolf.
The photographer for the wolf hunt was not objecting to the man, just the activity the man was going to force the photographer to endure by filming it.
The baker would be objecting to baking a cake, because the customers identified themselves as gay. It's like an ACE Hardware employee refusing to sell insect repellent because the customer identified himself as a wolf hunter.
The cake is not required to be married, anymore than insect repellent is required to hunt, skin, and mount a wolf.
Well, the courts won't accept your argument. A photographer, band, caterer who provides services to weddings can't refuse gay weddings in states or cities with anti-discrimination laws.
btw, there's no test for gayness in same sex marriages so the baker, florist, etc. is technically objecting to a same-sex wedding, not necessarily sexual persuasion. As is so often said about female-male marriage, neither procreation, sexual activity, or even emotional attraction is a necessary.
Is something like this worth the battle though? Doesn't this just give your cause kind of a black eye?
I think businesses like this that allow their religious beliefs to interfere with business will die a natural death in due course. Social media..business feedback sites like yelp...people will voice what is going on. People will avoid businesses that they consider to be run by bigots.
I just think this issue is far below something that should be on the government's radar.
Discrimination cases have been on the governments radar for decades.
Discrimination cases have been on the governments radar for decades.
Sexual orientation isn't a federally protected class.
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How do you think the wedding cake appears at the reception? The bride or groom picks it up that day, brings it over, and sets it up? No. By magic? No. 
