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Old 04-08-2016, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Taxing remittances, wire transfers and/or witholding financial aid and assistance to Mexico (and other countries SOB) are just a couple of ways to make "Mexico" help pay for any "wall" - physical or virtual. SOB needs us way more than we need them. The only thing they send us is cheap labor, and that's available all over the world if we need to import it.


It honestly just takes an executive with the chutzpah to actually stand up to arrogant countries like Mexico. To have some "real talk" with these countries who are pushing their poor and unwanted north into the United States to avoid having to fix their problems at home. For all his blustering this is one of the things Trump has right.

The other candidates don't even acknowledge the problem. Or think the problem is "too many deportations" or "breaking families up" (as if when dad has to go back to Chiapas the kids just HAVE to stay in the US or something!)


Mexico isn't paying for a damn thing with this idiotic concept.

And no, Mexico doesn't really need us at this point--their birthrate is down to first-world levels (2.2 per household), and they have an average life expectancy of 77. Like the US, Asia, and Europe, they're going to be experiencing a shortage of working-age adults very soon.

In their quest to "Make America White Again" right-wingers are ignoring that we need immigration to stay relevant economically, and xenophobic immigration policies only lead to economic stagnation. Don't believe me, ask Japan.
http://theweek.com/articles/453219/e...ulation-crisis
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Old 04-08-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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I don't know the answer to this...maybe someone does.
If President Trump decided to use cash from US residents being sent to relatives in Mexico to pay for his wall, could these transactions just be handled by a prepaid crfedit card or some other credit card transfer setup? If I was supporting parents in Mexico but I lived in the US, could I authorize them to use a joint credit card or just pay their credit card bill? This assumes they live somewhere with credit card enabled vendors.
Dozens of ways, unless the Trump administration really wants to do away with banking confidentiality. And tap into Western Union's revenue stream. It's naive, but Trump's MO is to pretend complex problems have simple solutions.
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Old 04-08-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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you first have t prove that money was not made legally- before you take it-- as for a higher fee- - more MOM and POP " envios" will rise up --
You give me money-- I'll deposit to my bank- then transfer it to my cousin Julio in TX, then he will transfer it to his sister Gloria in Mexico- so your peeps can get it from her in pesos--- ohhh? yea!!
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Old 04-08-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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Mexico isn't paying for a damn thing with this idiotic concept.

Are you having trouble comprehending the point? Nobody expects Mexico to write a check.

But, we do give hundreds of millions of dollars of aid to Mexico, and hundreds of millions more to countries SOB.


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And no, Mexico doesn't really need us at this point--their birthrate is down to first-world levels (2.2 per household), and they have an average life expectancy of 77. Like the US, Asia, and Europe, they're going to be experiencing a shortage of working-age adults very soon.
"At this point" they do still need us. More than we need them. US remittances alone inject billions into their economy. And Mexico STILL sends

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In their quest to "Make America White Again" right-wingers are ignoring that we need immigration to stay relevant economically, and xenophobic immigration policies only lead to economic stagnation. Don't believe me, ask Japan.
Everything you need to know about Japan's population crisis

You're a bit out of touch. Economic right wingers want a flood of illegal immigrants so they can depress wages. The traditional left (such as that old "make america white again" populist Cesar Chavez himself) recognized illegal labor as a wage depressor across many industries which traditionally paid blue collar workers well. Illegal immigration aides the capitalists to the detriment of the worker.

In that way, the economic new-slaver right wingers and the white guilt left wing diversity fetishists are attached at the hip on this issue.


And Japan has made a conscious choice that it will make do with less in the future. Which is why automation is such a huge and rapidly expanding thing there. The economies of the future are not built on nannies and lettuce pickers.

Meanwhile here and in Europe we are importing the unskilled third world just as automation of unskilled jobs is rapidly increasing. Someday truck drivers will even be obsolete.

But go on. Feel good about yourself while we import poverty. I'm sure you also whine about income inequality and the increase in children in poverty!
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Old 04-08-2016, 03:25 PM
 
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This must be the party of small government I keep hearing about.
Right yet another free market initiative.
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Old 04-08-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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I don't know the answer to this...maybe someone does.
If President Trump decided to use cash from US residents being sent to relatives in Mexico to pay for his wall, could these transactions just be handled by a prepaid crfedit card or some other credit card transfer setup? If I was supporting parents in Mexico but I lived in the US, could I authorize them to use a joint credit card or just pay their credit card bill? This assumes they live somewhere with credit card enabled vendors.
"If President Trump decided to use cash from US residents being sent to relatives in Mexico to pay for his wall, could these transactions just be handled by a prepaid crfedit card or some other credit card transfer setup?"

I detest a little "slight of hand" your part.

That is NOT ALL that he has said about Mexico paying for the "wall"

You might to do some more fact checking before making a complete fool of yourself.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:51 AM
 
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I do not believe it will pass constitutional scrutiny to tax transactions only to Mexico
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Old 04-09-2016, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Originally Posted by SunGrins View Post
I don't know the answer to this...maybe someone does.
If President Trump decided to use cash from US residents being sent to relatives in Mexico to pay for his wall, could these transactions just be handled by a prepaid crfedit card or some other credit card transfer setup? If I was supporting parents in Mexico but I lived in the US, could I authorize them to use a joint credit card or just pay their credit card bill? This assumes they live somewhere with credit card enabled vendors.
The easiest way is to open a US bank account and get 2 debit cards. Send one to your relative in Mexico to use at ATMS.
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Old 04-09-2016, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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you first have t prove that money was not made legally- before you take it-- as for a higher fee- - more MOM and POP " envios" will rise up --
You give me money-- I'll deposit to my bank- then transfer it to my cousin Julio in TX, then he will transfer it to his sister Gloria in Mexico- so your peeps can get it from her in pesos--- ohhh? yea!!
Those without proof of legal US residency will just get a legal friend or family member to make the transaction on their behalf.
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Old 04-09-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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As cynical as I am I am still amazed by the Family Firstar's angry rave at people that actually send their money to take care of their parents and siblings before they blow it all on drink, drugs, and casinos. So much for supporting "Family Values". I guess that is only for your OWN families.


FWIW - As Mexico gets closer to a modern productive economy they will be facing an "Alien Immigrant" problem from other Hispanic countries as those people move to Mexico for jobs that do not involve working for the Drug Lords.


Several of the more intensely developed industrial countries have found a way to continuously prosper without exponential or even any population growth. They allow the population to drop through attrition and below replacement birth rates and allow the robots to do most of the industrial work while taking care of themselves medically and socially. They have disconnected prosperity from endless population growth. The rest of the world will have to realize they must do this as well.
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