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The Archbishop of Buenos Aires Jorge Cardinal Bergoglio S.J. had to walk a fine line in a nation plagued by military supported Death Squads for he could have gone the way of the Archbishop of San Salvador who was murdered by such Death Squads in El Salvador. Hundreds of Clergy men, Monks and even well regarded Catholic lay people died through out Latin America at a time when pro USA Right wing military juntas and dictators ruled most of it. Those of us who lived back then from the 1950s -90s know the USA didn't stand for freedom or even simple fairness much preferring a Pinochet over a Democratically Salvador Allende or some faceless Brazilian General over President Julio Goulart. One should remember the USA didn't speak up when 7 American nuns were murdered in El Salvador soon after Archbishop Romero.
This has a long history in this region, one of my favorite movies is about the struggle of Jesuits and the powers that be in the mid 18th century along the border of present day Paraguay and Brazil . It is called The Mission , I strongly recommend this great piece of cinema.
....walk a fine line my a*s...tell that to Fr's Orland Yorio and Francisco Jalics...just two of his fellow Jesuit (their boss) who he turned in and were tortured by the government henchmen...i strongly recommend you read "El Silencio" by Horacio Verbitsky...... i stand by my original post... 'this guy's a real piece of sh*t'
Lol @ folks getting mad because the Pope actually lives in the 21st century and not the century the church was created in.
This church can do what ever it wants and believe what they want.......but strange to walk in and do everything the opposite as all those before him. Kind of like President Obama what made these men think they could change things and win over groups as ISIS.........these men most likely never carried a gun or a fist fight in their lives. I am not for war, but how is one to win with words?
Neither one has military experience yet they think peace and flowers will heal the evils of the world.
This church can do what ever it wants and believe what they want.......but strange to walk in and do everything the opposite as all those before him. Kind of like President Obama what made these men think they could change things and win over groups as ISIS.........these men most likely never carried a gun or a fist fight in their lives. I am not for war, but how is one to win with words?
Neither one has military experience yet they think peace and flowers will heal the evils of the world.
What the hell are you talking about?
1) Keeping tradition for the sake of tradition is... stupid. If the justification for doing something is ONLY because someone else did it first, any thoughtful person would consider changing this.
2) The Pope isn't really doing anything new. He says nice things. He says to treat gay people with respect. Yes, at one point when everything was as it was supposed to be, you could just like gays on fire. But that time has passed, and the Pope is going the path of Jesus; love them because they are people. He still opposes gay marriage.
This church can do what ever it wants and believe what they want.......but strange to walk in and do everything the opposite as all those before him. Kind of like President Obama what made these men think they could change things and win over groups as ISIS.........these men most likely never carried a gun or a fist fight in their lives. I am not for war, but how is one to win with words?
Neither one has military experience yet they think peace and flowers will heal the evils of the world.
So the Pope should follow exactly in the footsteps of his predecessors? LMAO...you sure?
Because if he does, we're in for a hell of a ride.
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This church can do what ever it wants and believe what they want.......but strange to walk in and do everything the opposite as all those before him. Kind of like President Obama what made these men think they could change things and win over groups as ISIS.........these men most likely never carried a gun or a fist fight in their lives. I am not for war, but how is one to win with words?
Neither one has military experience yet they think peace and flowers will heal the evils of the world.
They can't do any worse than those who think WAR! is the cure for everything.
....walk a fine line my a*s...tell that to Fr's Orland Yorio and Francisco Jalics...just two of his fellow Jesuit (their boss) who he turned in and were tortured by the government henchmen...i strongly recommend you read "El Silencio" by Horacio Verbitsky...... i stand by my original post... 'this guy's a real piece of sh*t'
If you have never lived in a place ruled by a military dictatorship you really must do so to complete your education about living in places where that late night knock on the door is no some lost soul needing directions but something more serious.
I've lived in Nigeria (1968-71), Honduras (1974-5) and Bolivia (1981-2). In Nigeria it was the Internal Passports, having to cross an Army Security checkpoint to go to school and once needing a Army escort to get home during a riot in 1970.
In Honduras it was a military coup fortunately bloodless and being delayed 6 hours while the President of Honduras took the plane I was going to fly to Miami FL so he could go on a fishing trip on a Caribbean island . I finished my flight on a still flying 20 year old DC 6 prop job.
In Bolivia it was the barbed wire downtown in the city park, having to surrender my passport fpr save keeping at the local Guardia HQ (they held until you were leaving when they gave you the exit visa and took you to the airport for departure. I also had to go to this Guardia HQ to by a flag for Flag Day. All people even foreigners had to fly an approved Bolivian flag on Flag Day failure to do so was an unpleasant confrontation with a military patrol that checked whether this flag was on proper display.
In all the above places internal dissidents or trouble makers could be picked off the streets and silenced sometimes forever. In Bolivia I lived only a block or so from a man protected by the local military named Klaus Altman (Barbie) who advised the Government on Security tactics. It was dangerous to be too curious about this resident of Cochabamba in the early 1980s . So does knowing this make me a bad person since I keep quiet instead of facing an all to serious military man with a with a Colt 1911 or a military assalt rifle?
This pope is very political, I knew when I've hear him mentioned global warning. Maybe he should tell the Catholics from South America to not have too many kids, that's certainly will stop global warming period. More people, more carbon dioxide released.
Pope Francis does give a few too many free passes to corrupt governments. Can't blame the 'capitalist empire' for everything, especially when those corrupt nations sweep so much of their crap under the rug.
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