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Old 04-11-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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In NC it can not longer start or finish in a state court. That option has been removed for everyone.

I am not bickering, I am trying to get you to understand what his law actually does. You are the one that doesn't seem to understand that BEFORE this law there was an option to take these cases to a STATE court, and now that is not an option.
The option of where to TAKE such cases was falsely presented as one that belonged to the plaintiff. It's not. I'm not sure where you got that info or who told you that, but it's wrong. It's the defendant's choice where such a case is heard. I've already provided the citation.
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Old 04-11-2016, 11:18 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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It doesn't have to be only a Federal issue to be removed to Federal court.

Federal statute provides for the removal from state to federal court by a defendant of any civil action which could have been brought originally in a federal district court, with no diversity of citizenship required in “federal question” cases.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1441

https://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/h...ag33_user.html

To reiterate, the NC law is in fact correct.


No, it's not correct. Simply repeating that doesn't make it so, either.


You've said it yourself - the Federal statute makes it so the defendant CAN remove the case to a Federal court from a State court. The Federal statute didn't mandate it, and I'm certain many cases were handled at the State level. This new law removes that option completely. It makes no sense.
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Old 04-11-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, NC
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1) Springsteen's music does not suck. It appeals to many (myself included).
2) However, the concert was not an automatic sell-out. Media reports it sold approx. 15K seats of the 23K+ in that venue.
3) I don't have an opinion (yet) of the HB2 law. I really haven't taken time to take it all in and formulate an opinion.
4) I am not thrilled that Springsteen made the call to cancel the show. It hurts his fans, the venue, the workers and vendors of the venue, and the local travel and food related businesses that would have made revenue from the concert. People may have made plans to fly in for the concert. Not all of that would be refunded. With that being said, if he did what he felt he had to do, so be it. The sun came up this morning. We survived.
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Old 04-11-2016, 12:29 PM
 
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Bruce ASSumed that he is so important that his politics outweigh his music ... WRONG.

El Nox
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Old 04-11-2016, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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I understand his reasoning & admire it but I do feel badly for the fans. If my favorite bands, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters or NIN did that, I would be extremely disappointed.


I don't think he should have cancelled the concert. If you're a rock star, your fans are your biggest asset. He's punishing the very people who are his customers and much less (if any) immediate damage to the state officials who passed the law in question.


You potentially have thousands of fans who have purchased expensive tickets, travelled a distance, made hotel reservations, changed vacation plans etc. to attend his concert, and he pulls the rug out from under them at the last minute.


First of all, to my way of thinking anyway, if you wish to have an impact on someone, threaten to take away some future benefit from them until their behavior improves. This gives them something to lose and may make them think twice about their decision. They are more likely to correct "bad thinking" if they have time to correct the error and retain the benefit. Taking something away right now gives them no way to change their behavior prior to them losing the benefit you offer and in in this case, actually punishes an innocent third party in the process.....thousands of loyal fans in this case.


He should have just said, "I'm doing this Sunday concert since I don't want to punish my fans many fans who have made plans/reservations, potentially traveled a distance, and spent many dollars to see me perform. However, this is the last concert I will do in this state until this law is changed".
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Old 04-11-2016, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Bruce ASSumed that he is so important that his politics outweigh his music ... WRONG.

El Nox
Did you mean to say Bruce or Pat McCrory.


This link is pretty funny:


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Every time you use a North Carolina public restroom, be sure to contact Governor Pat McCrory to confirm your adherence to or disregard of ‪#‎HB2‬. ‪#‎PeeingForPat‬
Governor's Office: 919-814-2000
Email: https://governor.nc.gov/contact/email-governor
Twitter (Pat): https://twitter.com/PatMcCroryNC...
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OfficeofGovernorMcCrory
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/govofficenc/


https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/pee...r-pat-mccrory/
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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Someone posted a response
to mine, claiming Springsteen didn't
cheat on his wife.
I don't buy it.
He's got great PR people, obviously.....
I heard all the details already &
he did indeed cheat.

So I find it more than hypocritical
that he claims to be such a stand
up guy, even cancelling his own shows
to prove what a good guy he is.

I was seeing a guy that's a
Springsteen lookalike......
Damn, he's good looking, but as soon as he
opens his mouth & starts with his
liberal opinions- I cringe.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:38 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No, it's not correct. Simply repeating that doesn't make it so, either.
Yes, it is correct.

Defendant's lawyers nearly always remove such cases to federal court because the outcome for defendants is better in the federal court system. I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's a matter and fact of law.

NC's law streamlines the process, and saves both plaintiffs and the state resources that would be wasted on a step in the process that will cost plaintiffs money and cost state taxpayers money and lost state employee productivity but ultimately yield nothing in return.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Considering that most of his fans are likely to be Democrats and people working in the
entertainment industry are likely Democrats, it would appear he hurt more friends than foes.
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Old 04-11-2016, 03:24 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Considering that most of his fans are likely to be Democrats and people working in the
entertainment industry are likely Democrats, it would appear he hurt more friends than foes.
Where do you guys come up with this stuff? I'm pretty sure his largest demographic is old white men. And his fan base never struck me as particularly liberal. He plays rock and roll, not hippy music.
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