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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
How many times since the Civil War, has a Militia (of the people) been allowed to exist, by either Federal or State governments?
The people(us) have every right to organize with our own personal arms, to train in tactical domestic warfare defense. How come we hear, over and over when tried, these people are incarcerated and their right to own arms is stripped?
Is this happening in the USA? I only hear this from radical, paranoid, fringee's, but have never seen anyone not able to get a gun or form their own 'militia', now matter how stupid the imaginary cause is. So--where is this happening?
I believe that the OP is hoping someone will come back with "Well, each state has a national guard" or such, so that he can pounce and claim that only liberals believe that said guards are 'militias'.
Of course, some have the view that the only 'militia' allowed is a group of armed individuals seeking to cause mayhem, overthrow the government, take over public land for their personal livestock, etc.
I agree with the above - an example or two might be useful. Avoid the Bundyites if possible.
But if people want to play soldier on their own land with their own guns, they can - as far as I know - have at it. Just as long as they don't think they have any sort of actual authority to do anything.
Do you understand the meaning of the word 'militia'?
mi·li·tia
•a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
•a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.
•all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.
I believe the Founding Fathers were referencing the first meaning. They wanted people to be armed to be able to reinforce any current soldiers in the regular army, if necessary.
They certainly did not want armed gangs of civilians trying to overthrow government.
Please remember that the second amendment was written at a time when the country was struggling just to stay alive.
Federal agents raided the Hutaree Militia in 2010, arresting members that allegedly conspired to kill police officers as part of a rebellion against the federal government. On Tuesday, a federal judge threw out the most serious charges of conspiring to commit sedition and conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction, saying there was a lack of evidence.
The five other defendants have been cleared of all charges. Responding to a request from the defense to toss the case, Roberts ruled that prosecutors didn’t present evidence backing their claims of an imminent threat to the state.
Branch Davidian siege in Waco, Texas, the dayslong and ultimately fatal standoff at Ruby Ridge in Idaho in 1992
The four men in their 60s and 70s were part of a group that also tried to obtain an unregistered explosive device and sought out the complex formula to produce ricin, a biological toxin that can be lethal in small doses, according to a federal complaint.
"He spent 30 years in the U.S. Navy. He would not do anything against his country," she said in a phone interview with The Associated Press. "60 Minutes": A look at the "sovereign citizen" movement Ga. "birther" convicted in plot to oust Obama Thomas and Roberts are accused of buying what they believed was a silencer and an unregistered explosive from an undercover informant in May and June 2011. Prosecutors say he discussed using the weapons in attacks against federal buildings.
Prosecutors say Crump also discussed making 10 pounds of ricin and dispersing it in Atlanta and various cities across the nation. Adams, meanwhile, is accused of showing Crump the formula to make ricin and identifying the ways to obtain the ingredients.
Charlotte Thomas said her husband was arrested in a restaurant in Cornelia, Ga., and federal agents were at her home when she returned from the grocery store Tuesday afternoon. She said the agents wouldn't let her in her home.
"They tore up my house," Thomas said.
She said her husband doesn't have an attorney yet.
Margaret Roberts of Toccoa said FBI agents showed up with a search warrant and went through her home, taking a computer and other items.
She said her husband is retired from the sign business and lives on pensions.
"He's never been in trouble with the law. He's not anti-government. He would never hurt anybody," she said.
"When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people gotta die,"
Nothing I have not said over and over on the pages of this message board.
The tree of liberty, must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
When men that have put their asses on the line to protect liberty, see liberty eroding fast, they tend to react and find solutions.
Do you understand the meaning of the word 'militia'?
mi·li·tia
•a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
•a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.
•all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.
I believe the Founding Fathers were referencing the first meaning. They wanted people to be armed to be able to reinforce any current soldiers in the regular army, if necessary.
They certainly did not want armed gangs of civilians trying to overthrow government.
Please remember that the second amendment was written at a time when the country was struggling just to stay alive.
Different times.
The first meaning did not exist.....
In law, you use the dictionary from the period the law was made. Not a 2016 dictionary.
At the time of the composition and ratification of the Constitution, there was no "regular army, nor was there ever intended one to exist. They knew an army in control by the federal government, would be used just as the army they had fought to be free from.
Rebel or terrorist? Is that how the Civil War is described today(The CW put an end to Militias, by the federal government. They saw how dangerous they were to the building power of the federal government)
Militia is not federal military. They can refuse the federal government, to be called into action. They cannot be forced to serve the government.
You see today in your modern dictionary definition(it has changed over the years to satisfy government redefinition) they wish to redefine what Militia was at the time of the ratification of the 2nd amendment.
Head in the sand BB? These idiot groups are on the rise. If/when they do illegal things, they are prosecuted.
"Radical anti-government "patriot" groups and militias, galvanized against gun control, will continue to grow even as the number of groups operating in the USAreached an all-time high in 2012, a report Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center finds.
The center tracked 1,360 radical militias and anti-government groups in 2012, an eightfold increase over 2008, when it recorded 149 such groups. The explosive growth began four years ago, sparked by the election of President Obama and anger about the poor economy, the center says. That growth is likely to continue as the groups recruit more members with a pro-gun message, the center's senior fellow Mark Potok said."
Congress subscribed to the prevailing view that the first line of national defense should be a "well-regulated and disciplined militia sufficiently armed and accoutered."
Its reluctance to create a standing army was understandable; a permanent army would be a heavy expense, and it would complicate the struggle between those who wanted a strong national government and those who preferred the existing loose federationof states. Further, the recent threats of the Continental officers strengthened the popular fear that a standing army might be used to coerce the states or become an instrument of despotism. The English experience with General Oliver Cromwell and his military dictatorship in the mid-seventeenth century still exerted a powerful influence over the political ideas of the mother country and the former colonies.
General Washington, to whom Hamilton’s committee turned first for advice, echoed some of these fears. He pointed out that a large standing army in time of peace had always been considered "dangerous to the liberties of a country" and that the nation was "too poor to maintain a standing army adequate to our defense." The question might also be considered, he continued, whether any surplus funds that became available should not better be applied to "building and equipping a Navy without which, in case of War we could neither protect our Commerce, nor yield that assistance to each other which, on such an extent of seacoast, our mutual safety would require." He believed that America should rely ultimately on an improved version of the historic citizens’ militia, a force enrolling all males between eighteen and fifty liable for service to the nation in emergencies. He also recommended a volunteer militia, recruited in units, periodically trained, and subject to national rather than state control. At the same time Washington did suggest the creation of a small Regular Army "to awe the Indians, protect our Trade, prevent the encroachment of our Neighbors of Canada and the Floridas, and guard us at least from surprises; also for security of our magazines." He recommended a force of four regiments of infantry and one of artillery, totaling 2,630 officers and men.
Hamilton’s committee also listened to suggestions made by General Friedrich von Steuben; Maj. Gen. Louis le Bèque du Portail, Chief Engineer of the Army; and Benjamin Lincoln, Secretary at War. On June 18, 1783, the committee submitted a plan to Congress similar to Washington’s but with a more ambitious militia program.
Finally, on the last two days of the session, Congress rushed through a compromise. It ordered the existing infantry regiment and battalion of artillery disbanded, except for eighty artillerymen retained to guard military stores at West Point and Fort Pitt. It tied this discharge to a measure providing for the immediate recruitment of a new force of 700 men, a regiment of eight infantry and two artillery companies, which was to become the nucleus of a new Regular Army. By not making requisitions on the states for troops, but merely recommending that the states provide them from their militia, Congress got rid of most of the New England opposition on this score; by not assigning a quota for Massachusetts and New Hampshire, Congress satisfied the objections of most of the other states.
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