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We don't need it. We're more of a service economy now not a factory led economy, and to be frank we don't need any more factories. If other country's laborers can assemble light fixtures assembly at a more efficient pace than the next country because of their comparative advantage, and we can produce financial analyst laborers very fast at a more effecient rate, than the previous country mention, because of our comparative advantage, then why are we having the conversation of keeping skilled blue collar jobs, ie. automobile parts facotry worker, in the united states? These jobs are becoming obsolete in our US economy and it's a good thing.
We need a strong middle class and we need a wide range of industries. The former for obvious reasons the latter to take up the slack when the inevitable cycle downside occurs.
There is actually a strong connection between the flow of money and the many channels of traffic which it finds.
BTW, your comment in Germany would appear foolish as they have both the manufacturing and investment industries.
We don't need it. We're more of a service economy now not a factory led economy, and to be frank we don't need any more factories. If other country's laborers can assemble light fixtures assembly at a more efficient pace than the next country because of their comparative advantage, and we can produce financial analyst laborers very fast at a more efficient rate, than the previous country mention, because of our comparative advantage, then why are we having the conversation of keeping skilled blue collar jobs, ie. automobile parts factory worker, in the united states? These jobs are becoming obsolete in our US economy and it's a good thing.
It's kinda interesting that many if not most of the jobs being shipped overseas are union jobs. Meanwhile, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Acura, BMW and others are making their cars here in America using American labor.
Toyota has absolutely owned the "most American-made vehicles" list for forever, but Honda is giving them a real run for their money lately. Not a single Ford or GM in the list. Odd, no?
What we really need to do is figure out why foreign corporations are massively successful making their crap here in America. What are they doing right and what are American corporations doing wrong??
Having zero manufacturing here in the USA is a terrible idea. America needs a full range of workers of all types.
companies are bringing in H1B visa workers to do everything now, including doctors, truck drivers, you name it.
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Please provide a link to ^ gem.
From a historical standpoint, international/ multinational corporations were able to transfer foreign labor up to 5 years provided that labor was employed by the sponsoring company for at least 1 year, offshore under the "L" visa.
The Reagan Admin created the framework for H 1 B visas to "complement" the L1 Visa and eliminate the requirement of prior offshore employment. It became law in 1990 with Congress responsible for approving an annual cap.
Various Acts of Congress expanded and contracted the number of H1B visas over time. It peaked when Congress approved ACT21 Act of 2000/ 2001 which expanded the number of temporary visas to a whopping 195,000 in connection with the dot com thing.
The H1B Visa Reform Act of 2004 was the last major legislation relative to this particular visa. This legislation did not renew the prior temporary cap as dot com had come and gone. It did however expand the cap for those with Master Degrees.
The annual cap of 65,000 + 20,000 for workers with advanced degrees has remained the same for the past 12 years. Reportedly there were more than 200,000 applications for the 2017 cap and winners were determined by lottery, just last month.
Support for H1B and all Visa workers, has been and remains bipartisan.
The H1B visa is not used for MDs or truck drivers.
We don't need it. We're more of a service economy now not a factory led economy, and to be frank we don't need any more factories. If other country's laborers can assemble light fixtures assembly at a more efficient pace than the next country because of their comparative advantage, and we can produce financial analyst laborers very fast at a more effecient rate, than the previous country mention, because of our comparative advantage, then why are we having the conversation of keeping skilled blue collar jobs, ie. automobile parts facotry worker, in the united states? These jobs are becoming obsolete in our US economy and it's a good thing.
And what of the millions of Americans this displaces? Are they better off unemployed? Or do you plan to 'outsource' them as well?
Sorry, but I consider that more important than to promote the facade that the US is too good for blue collar honest work.
One of our biggest advantages in WW II was the ability to quickly switch peace time manufacturing to production of the tools of war, I don't think I'd be quick to write off the skills and manufacturing capacity so easily.
well said, and exactly right.
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This is true, however, are we going to have another wwII, do we need this large of a manufacturing base on reserve?
we dont even have to talk about being in a shooting war to recognize the need for manufacturing capability, or even a shooting war period. suppose china decides they dont need the US market to power their economy any longer, and suppose other countries also wave off the US market as well. dont you think it might be a good idea to be able to produce our own goods?
or suppose the manufacturing centers around the world collapse due to economic reasons, again dont you think it might be a good idea to again be able to produce what we need in this country?
or how about if we get into a trade war with other countries, again dont you think it might be a good idea to be able to produce our own goods to mitigate the effects of a trade war?
there are all kinds of good reasons to be able to produce our own goods in this country, and a shooting war is only one reason.
everyone felt that way at one point until their job was outsourced. careful what you wish for.. companies are bringing in H1B visa workers to do everything now, including doctors, truck drivers, you name it.
you're expendable too.
Exactly. People seem to think they're an exception, that they're too smart and prepared to have let themselves end up in a position vulnerable to outsourcing or displacement by foreigners.
When in reality, once AI (there are even plans of AI therapists) and self-driving cars take hold, humans will be essentially obsolete. Why expedite this now?
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If you think we have polluted air and polluted waters wait until factory countries who have no regulations start polluting more than they have been. Seems people only look as far as the end of their nose on problems that can happen in the long run.
They seem to think that air particles and polluted running water give a damn about political borders. lol.
It's kinda interesting that many if not most of the jobs being shipped overseas are union jobs. Meanwhile, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Acura, BMW and others are making their cars here in America using American labor.
Toyota has absolutely owned the "most American-made vehicles" list for forever, but Honda is giving them a real run for their money lately. Not a single Ford or GM in the list. Odd, no?
What we really need to do is figure out why foreign corporations are massively successful making their crap here in America. What are they doing right and what are American corporations doing wrong??
Having zero manufacturing here in the USA is a terrible idea. America needs a full range of workers of all types.
Back in the mid 80's, GM and Toyota formed a joint partnership in Fremont, California. GM was in it to learn first hand about Toyota's " lean manufacturing" process. This was Toyota's only Union shop. At peak, this plant directly and indirectly employed about 35,000 people.
In 2009, Toyota announced it would close this, their only Union shop. The state begged for stimulus funds to keep the plant open and subsidies US jobs. Nonetheless. The plant closed and moved production to other non Union plants in the US and Canada.
Telsa subsequently acquired the plant.
New(er) plants and technology, lean manufacturing processes, an absence of legacy pensions to fund and no unions likely combine for a more profitable operation.
We don't need it. We're more of a service economy now not a factory led economy, and to be frank we don't need any more factories. If other country's laborers can assemble light fixtures assembly at a more efficient pace than the next country because of their comparative advantage, and we can produce financial analyst laborers very fast at a more effecient rate, than the previous country mention, because of our comparative advantage, then why are we having the conversation of keeping skilled blue collar jobs, ie. automobile parts facotry worker, in the united states? These jobs are becoming obsolete in our US economy and it's a good thing.
The above is a total misunderstanding of the economic and social realities of US.
We don't need it. We're more of a service economy now not a factory led economy, and to be frank we don't need any more factories. If other country's laborers can assemble light fixtures assembly at a more efficient pace than the next country because of their comparative advantage, and we can produce financial analyst laborers very fast at a more effecient rate, than the previous country mention, because of our comparative advantage, then why are we having the conversation of keeping skilled blue collar jobs, ie. automobile parts facotry worker, in the united states? These jobs are becoming obsolete in our US economy and it's a good thing.
I agree with this to a point. We should be leveraging our advantages in education and innovation to create white collar professional and technical jobs, and leave the sweat shop jobs to other countries. However, a good model to emulate would be Germany, which still has a thriving manufacturing sector but one that specializes in high-quality, value-added products. Either way we need a highly-educated and trained workforce.
We don't need it. We're more of a service economy now not a factory led economy, and to be frank we don't need any more factories. If other country's laborers can assemble light fixtures assembly at a more efficient pace than the next country because of their comparative advantage, and we can produce financial analyst laborers very fast at a more effecient rate, than the previous country mention, because of our comparative advantage, then why are we having the conversation of keeping skilled blue collar jobs, ie. automobile parts facotry worker, in the united states? These jobs are becoming obsolete in our US economy and it's a good thing.
It's a bad thing, actually. As has already been done with information technology, we're overlooking the fact that once you take away the lower-level, hand-on positions, you also kill off the opportunity to identify and foster talent. The blue-collar guys building Merlin rocket engines out at Hawthorne are the best out of a large pool of machinists, having built their expertise through decades. Make the general pool smaller and the chance of acquiring top talent diminishes correspondingly. Move the general pool overseas and the cream will rise to the top there, not here.
We won't build a thriving economy on giving each other haircuts, nor by using the stock market to bet on other people's performance. ("Financial analysts", really?)
I rather liked this piece from a much smaller rocket project - describes the problem neatly:
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