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In these big scenarios that have flared up recently, the only hate seems to be coming from those attacking business owners for standing for their religious beliefs.
The bakers in Oregon happily served the gay couple that brought the case against them many times prior to the wedding cake debacle. They didn't object to them being gay, the had a problem with violating their religious beliefs when it came to creating a product specifically for a gay wedding.
The pizza shop in Indiana didn't even discriminate against anyone, they only stated that if asked they wouldn't cater a gay wedding due to a conflict with their religious values.
These business owners didn't hate anyone nor did they didn't attack anyone. However, they were subject to crippling fines, their businesses being boycotted, so much hate spewed on Yelp that it crashed the site and even death threats. The anger and the hatred is not coming from these people, its coming from those who are so rabidly angry about a baker politefully declining a job and suggesting another baker that they're not only intolerant of them, they've taken upon themselves to destroy their businesses and threaten them with violence.
The Oregon bakery violated the law because they said they wouldn't bake a wedding cake that was for a gay couple. That is discrimination because they were saying they wouldn't make a cake for a specific couple because of their sexuality. A wedding cake is a wedding cake, a baker cannot choose what the cake is used for once it is sold.
I don't think many understand the issue. Yes, tolerance should go both ways. You should be tolerant of gays and minorities and they should be tolerant of your disagreement with that. You disagree...but you don't hold it against the person. When that crosses into discrimination and refusal of service for the simple reason they are not following your beliefs, that goes against everything the law is meant to uphold.
This issue is always about gays however would you really feel the same way if you walked into a pizza place and were turned away because you were jewish? or if you recently got divorced and the bakery turned you away? Or calling a taxi and having them leave you in the rain because you are doing something the driver disagrees with? I'm sure you'll say 'that's their right' but would you really? would you really be fine being refused service and saying to yourself...'yup, that's my bad. I'm at fault for not knowing and following someone else's beliefs'. I don't think so.
I don't think many understand the issue. Yes, tolerance should go both ways. You should be tolerant of gays and minorities and they should be tolerant of your disagreement with that. You disagree...but you don't hold it against the person. When that crosses into discrimination and refusal of service for the simple reason they are not following your beliefs, that goes against everything the law is meant to uphold.
This issue is always about gays however would you really feel the same way if you walked into a pizza place and were turned away because you were jewish? or if you recently got divorced and the bakery turned you away? Or calling a taxi and having them leave you in the rain because you are doing something the driver disagrees with? I'm sure you'll say 'that's their right' but would you really? would you really be fine being refused service and saying to yourself...'yup, that's my bad. I'm at fault for not knowing and following someone else's beliefs'. I don't think so.
Of course they wouldn't be ok with it. They talk a big game because they can't even fathom being denied service for something. Why? Because it's never come up before, ever in their lives. White? Hetero? Christian? They've got it made in this country, they've slid through life, piece of cake. "That business would discriminate against ME? Whatever FOR?" The thought has literally NEVER crossed their minds because it hasn't had to. In reality, if some straight white couple was denied service, the s*it would hit the fan. First, the bewilderment, then the reality sets in. And that's when it all goes to crap. So yeah, when those people claim "I'd just take my business elsewhere, no big deal", that's a load of BS & we all know it.
I'm not talking about someone standing on the street corner screaming 'Death to homos!". But, if someone says "I find homosexuality morally/religiously or whatever wrong and I'm not going to serve someone because of that" why is that viewed as being intolerant but you're not tolerant of their opinion?
Dude, they're militants. There is no quarter ever going to be given to you. If they had their way they'd completely destroy everything you know including your religion and religious leaders and the worst part, they know you'll do nothing. They know you'll sit back and stay silent...
But I don't see any gay people or liberal openly support legalizing polygamy. Hypocrisy, maybe?
If you say so. Funny how you try to "get me" on polygamy & then when it's revealed that I have no problem with it, you need to twist it into something else. You have fun with that!
I have said many times that there are no more intolerant people than those who preach tolerance the loudest.
I believe it to be true, and nothing that has been posted here gives me any reason to change my mind!
I specifically said that no one is required to agree with anyone else. I can disagree with you all day and still sell you anything in the shop. I can disagree with you and seat you in a restaurant. I can disagree with you and sell you flowers, or cake, or cars, or houses.
The only agreement needed in commerce is the agreement on the price of the item.
Nobody should be allowed to disagree with the liberals!!! I am not sure how much more clear I can make it.
For those dissidents, if we can't punish them by laws, we shall pass a new law to punish them or just drawn them with our overwhelming liberal public lynching including but not limited to, death threats, public violent protests, arson, boycott, horrific reviews on every public venue, public shaming, nude protests, shouting, Occupy Movement, public condemnation from all the Hollywood actresses!
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