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Income - the equality of wealth distribution is arguably more important than the per capita wealth. If Oprah Winfrey moved into any poor majority-black town, that would instantly bring the average income of the black community higher than the white community. Yet the overall effect on the poverty rate would be marginal at best, even in the long term. The poverty rate (for whatever household definition you choose) is also important. Of course a low poverty area can still have high income inequality even if the 5th to 15th percentile are earning an adequate income for a realistically humane standard of living.
Racial Segregation - If your neighborhood or subdivision is more than 85% of X group, then unless you live in a lily-white small town in a region with a light minority presence, odds are it's still rather segregated by any objective definition (and really so if your area's % of minorities is only 1/3 of your metro area's minority %). This isn't always about racism, of course, but it does influence race relations to the extent that the poverty rate falls heavily along racial lines. Sad to say, but it's true.
Liberals are not necessarily discriminating against minorities as far as restricting housing and gentrification....
Liberals want freedom for everyone but sadly there are people who take advantage seek refuge in liberal areas because they think they can just get away with things. There are people who want to take advantage of the niceness of people.
A wealthy liberal wants to be safe in their freedom, in their own neighborhood and city.
There's nothing wrong with the black guy next door if he is an upright person.
The poor will almost always have a grudge for the wealthy. It doesn't matter if the wealthy are for them or not. Liberals understand that and know that there are possible dangers but freedom combined with common sense is worth it.
Imagine a liberal who is for animal rights. This person knows they will most likely get mauled by a bear if they are not careful...but that doesn't mean all bears should go extinct.
Now with minorities comes crime for reasons of most of them are poor..but some are not...and some, with a little help who are poor can better themselves. That's freedom and the human right.
A wealthy liberal can help without getting bit by living in a gated community is a liberal who has common sense.
The world's most sought after cities are more often progressive, as a progressive mindset is essential for innovation. Society would not have become this advanced had the majority in the past been people who only wanted to conserve what was already there.
Income - the equality of wealth distribution is arguably more important than the per capita wealth. If Oprah Winfrey moved into any poor majority-black town, that would instantly bring the average income of the black community higher than the white community. Yet the overall effect on the poverty rate would be marginal at best, even in the long term. The poverty rate (for whatever household definition you choose) is also important. Of course a low poverty area can still have high income inequality even if the 5th to 15th percentile are earning an adequate income for a realistically humane standard of living.
Racial Segregation - If your neighborhood or subdivision is more than 85% of X group, then unless you live in a lily-white small town in a region with a light minority presence, odds are it's still rather segregated by any objective definition (and really so if your area's % of minorities is only 1/3 of your metro area's minority %). This isn't always about racism, of course, but it does influence race relations to the extent that the poverty rate falls heavily along racial lines. Sad to say, but it's true.
That's why most of the time, median household income is used instead of average income. It's still VERY low for blacks.
Why do so many Trump supporters think that liberals and progressives are all lazy people that want everything for free?
Seems like the most liberal cities are the ones with the highest incomes.
...high incomes, and high property values that have driven out people who are natural conservatives - married people who want a house with a big yard for their kids to play in.
I don't mean to open a whole new can of worms here, but it's not clear to me that the residents of Cicero who demonstrated such hatefulness were liberals.
They were northerners, who were supposed to be more accepting of blacks than southerners.
It turns out they were LESS accepting.
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Originally Posted by Steve40th
You stated Full time workers are the largest beneficiary.
This says a person living with a worker. Not a full time worker benefiting.
Very misinformative. Read the details.
Indeed.
You have to carefully examine the charts posted by the liberals.
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Originally Posted by steven_h
Read up on purely socialist countries through recent history. Please do not use Scandinavian countries, as even they say they are NOT Socialist.
Not only that, but Norway, Sweden and Denmark have kings or queens who are treated with great reverence and respect.
Same with Holland -- another "socialist" bastion.
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Originally Posted by AguaDulce
[i]Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.
People who get Social Security and Medicare only get them if they pay into the programs.
They are NOT welfare, they are insurance programs.
But nice try.
And we spend close to a TRILLION a year on welfare programs that have nothing to do with Social Security and Medicare according to Senator Sessions, who should know.
So the "Center on Budget and Policy Priorities" is full of it.
No doubt a lying liberal nutcase website like moveon.org or Media Matters.
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Originally Posted by Fish & Chips
The world's most sought after cities are more often progressive, as a progressive mindset is essential for innovation. Society would not have become this advanced had the majority in the past been people who only wanted to conserve what was already there.
That's odd.
It seems to me that Paris has kept its art treasures, palaces and monuments in good order.
Same with London, Vienna, Berlin, Rome, Florence, Venice...Hmm, guess they must be "super conservative."
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Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment
...high incomes, and high property values that have driven out people who are natural conservatives - married people who want a house with a big yard for their kids to play in.
Exactly.
Big liberal rich cities are not for families, unless you're in the top 1%
But I guess liberals don't believe in families -- even though they wouldn't be here without them.
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Yes also some of the most segregated cities, and it's kicking poor minorities out of their homes. Also these cities have historically racist redlining laws, and have some of the most restrictive housing when it comes to minorities. But we'll just leave that out.
That's only half the story branh0913, when the blacks took over these neighborhoods from the 50's through the 90's, the liberals fled like they were fleeing the Nazi blitzkrieg.
That's only half the story branh0913, when the blacks took over these neighborhoods from the 50's through the 90's, the liberals fled like they were fleeing the Nazi blitzkrieg.
So true.
That's why the suburbs closest to cities like New York and San Francisco are liberal bastions.
Consider Marin County, just north of San Francisco.
Ultra liberal, ultra white, ultra rich.
Even Asians who move there don't stay long -- they don't feel welcome.
And yes, Marin does have a black ghetto called "Marin City" (between Sausalito and Mill Valley) that is cut off by the freeway and looks like a prison camp....
The only other significantly non-white place in Marin is San Quentin Prison -- also cut off by a freeway.
It seems to me that Paris has kept its art treasures, palaces and monuments in good order.
Same with London, Vienna, Berlin, Rome, Florence, Venice...Hmm, guess they must be "super conservative."
I see "progressive cities" as cities that continue to thrive, innovate, export to the world and advance society.
GaWC would not have categorised Paris and London as "Alpha cities" if those cities predominantly functioned to preserve their historical sites. It has taken far more than their historical significance to continue prospering today. Is that not true?
Just to clarify, I'm not using the term "progressive" in context of American liberalism.
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