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Old 04-25-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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Try to understand liberalism at your own risk.......serious brain damage may result.


CN.......

But to be fair, conservatives suffer brain damages when they try to learn basic math. It's not the subject, but the learners that's the problem.
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Old 04-25-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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Try to understand liberalism at your own risk.......serious brain damage may result.


CN.......
Again we review: Rhetoric, "Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content."
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Old 04-25-2016, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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^ This is what the entire argument boils down to. Do we, as a society have the right to force an individual to provide their time, labor etc to another person against their will?

The same argument can be used against those who advocate "free health care". Because in order to be truly free and universal, you as an individual would have the right to force a doctor to treat you agaist his will at any time, any place without recompense.

Basically this is enslavement of individuals for "the good of society". There is no greater tyranny against an individual than removal of their free will.
I get it, you are blind to the fact that individuals should discriminate saying it is a person's "right." But the biggest lie about this is you create second class citizens through doing this. Last time I checked, NOBODY'S RIGHTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYONE ELSE'S!!!! So let's do it this way, a black person throws me (a white male) out of a BBQ joint because I'm white and claiming I am a threat to business. I can sue over that the same as he can if I threw him out of my convenience store for being a thug that is a threat to business. Sure as we've seen in many cases "reverse discrimination" is not sexy and talked about but it does happen and often times isn't stated because it sounds like sour grapes and nobody supports it. To conservatives, you get the garden variety "Well the shopkeep can do it because they are the shopkeep" response while liberals only complain about discrimination when it's over homosexuals, women and people of color and aren't of European in decent. My thought is ANY discrimination should be stopped, whether it is a white, black, brown, tan, ect.; old or young; male or female; heterosexual or homosexual (whether bi, pan, etc.); able bodied or disabled; ect.

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If you force people to say it, to actually utter the words......then yes, it is not just bullying but a violation of their religious freedom and an affront to their free will.

Officially adding the words to the pledge is not any of these things because no one is forced to say the pledge.
Well the pledge isn't forced by law and can't be as per West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette. What it is, is more or less a societal programming. And I'm sure conservatives are scratching their heads but honestly, I know from school and Boy Scouts, there are a LOT of people who get mad when you do not stand at attention and/or repeat it if you don't. I often drop out the "under God" due to church and state and nobody says anything. So it is not force by throwing in jail but rather force by what people think of you and in a way is bullying. But hey, conservatives (except in birth control and gay rights) and libertarians think it is fine so long as it isn't coming from "daddy gubermint."

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But to be fair, conservatives suffer brain damages when they try to learn basic math. It's not the subject, but the learners that's the problem.
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It is interesting it seems that conservatives don't get that by being against abortion they are for children but then their polices are against children once they become children...
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Old 04-25-2016, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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So the USPS is participating when they deliver invitations.


I believe you asked that one previously?


But I'll answer again.....

the USPS has no idea what is in the packages they deliver so there is no action taken by anyone at the USPS that is consciously aware of the invitations or wedding....gay or straight.

So, without anyone preforming a conscious action taken on behalf of that specific wedding, there is no participation.

For example:

A cake maker, say at a grocery store, who cranks out 30 or 40 cakes a day, and has no idea who any of them will be sold to, or even for what purpose, has no participation in any of the events because they are not aware of the end use of the cakes when they make them.

However, this is not what takes place in the Baker/gay wedding scenario.

Typically, the baker is contracted specifically to make a specific type of cake for a specific event and is informed that this event is a gay wedding.

Now, the baker has knowledge of the end use of the cake that their labor, time and materials will be used for.

So..... the fact that the baker now has knowledge of the end use of this specific cake, they are in fact participating in support of the event if they choose (or are forced) to make the cake.

Participation does not require physical presence at the wedding in this context, but rather simply a conscious action preformed in support of the event.
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Old 04-25-2016, 11:30 PM
 
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I just saw the perfect example in Hillary Clinton's town hall on msnbc. This guy asks HRC, 'your opponent supports a $15 min wage and you support $12. In a city like Philadelphia, people are struggling economically. What would you say to the people you are denying the extra $3.'

Jesus. Not supporting $15/hr min wage is now denying people $3/hr. Absolutely no basis in economic reality. Go into inner city Philadelphia and tell me how many of those kids are providing labor / services to a business greater than $15/hr in value?
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Old 04-26-2016, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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So you admit that there have been laws against males going into ladies' restrooms.

Fine, we're finally getting somewhere.

That you don't care that an adult male in a dress follows your little girl into the ladies restroom tells me a lot about you.

What it tells me is not something that I would call "good."
Ok, I've made this point and it somehow still isn't kicking in. A person who actually transgendered is not going to draw attention to the fact that they aren't like everyone else. They're going to do everything in their power to not be noticed. Yes, I'll concede that there is a small minority of transgendered people who showboat it. The Tumblr people and such. But as it is, transgenders made up like .01% of the population, and we're talking about a minority in a group that small being asses about it.

As for your rape thing, as I've said, bathroom sexual assaults are rare enough as it is. It's already illegal, regardless of who's doing it, be it an woman, a transgendered person, or a perverted man playing dress up to sexually abuse people in a bathroom. That is already illegal. And you know what, that bill in NC is not going to make things better. If there's one thing rapists don't give a **** about, it's the law.

And the bigger issue is that this takes up column inches and air time. And I get it, identity politics are easier that talking about actual problems, but do you hear yourself? You're talking about making a new law to address rapes that really aren't happening (bathroom sexual assaults) and keeping .01% of the population out of a bathroom you don't want them using, which they've been using and has rarely been a problem. I mean, what is the point of all this? Why are we talking about this while India somehow has a problem with starvation and obesity? Which issue is actually important?

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Yes, if "she" has a penis.

Obviously.
Ok, I know that it's easy to rely on stupidity here but some people take notice when you clearly don't have an argument. I can tell what you're doing. Answer my question or admit defeat. I'm not asking the question again. Go back and read it yourself. Prove your intelligence. You claim to value common sense; as someone who also values common sense, I expect a damn answer. Not one line of no content.

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That's true.

And I haven't made any claim whatsoever.

I've disputed others' ability to prove their claims -- such as that God doesn't exist.
Burden of proof falls on the person making the positive claim. My view is that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. We apply that logic to unicorns and no one is offended. I see no reason why God is any different.

And to be clear, I don't care if people believe in God. My issue is when the whole 'god' thing becomes becomes an issue of public policy. Your religion is your business, and I wanna keep it that way. So no creationism in school or religious pandering in politics. That's all.
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Old 04-26-2016, 02:34 AM
 
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The courts work within the Constitutional guidelines.
Some do, many don't.

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Very few "liberals" that I know want any kind of "open" immigration. All those whom I know think we ought to go back to the very strict guidelines based on a quota system.
Well, your political leaders beg to disagree with you.

They have not indicated a desire to do ANYTHING serious to stop illegal immigration.

They didn't in the "gang of 14" bill, and they didn't in the "gang of 8" bill.

And virtually all the breast-beating apologetics for the "po witto iwegos" comes from liberal journalists and commentators.

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Did you confuse me for an atheist? I'm not. Talk about moving the goalpost, strawman, and switching the burden of proof all in one sentence.
Talk about missing the point.

I never said that you were an atheist.

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God exists. Now prove your claim that He fabricated a past when he created everything.
I didn't say he did.

I said that you can't prove that he didn't.

But go ahead and "prove" me wrong.

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First step toward intelligent policy is intelligent understanding of the matter at hand.

Very typically, legal and/or illegal aliens come to American to work, make money. Those who hire them, typically do so to take advantage of cheap ready labor, and those doing the hiring are business owners. Business owners tend to be conservatives, not liberals. So if you think the problem or issues of today are born of liberal policy, please look again, because business tends to have the ultimate say when it comes to the crux of these issues and the business owners benefit most at the expense of others, perhaps consumers as well.
You seem to forget that most of the support in Congress for "immigrants" (meaning illegal immigrants) comes from Democrats, who apparently see them as future Democratic voters.

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Ok, I've made this point and it somehow still isn't kicking in. A person who actually transgendered is not going to draw attention to the fact that they aren't like everyone else. They're going to do everything in their power to not be noticed. Yes, I'll concede that there is a small minority of transgendered people who showboat it. The Tumblr people and such. But as it is, transgenders made up like .01% of the population, and we're talking about a minority in a group that small being asses about it.

As for your rape thing, as I've said, bathroom sexual assaults are rare enough as it is. It's already illegal, regardless of who's doing it, be it an woman, a transgendered person, or a perverted man playing dress up to sexually abuse people in a bathroom. That is already illegal. And you know what, that bill in NC is not going to make things better. If there's one thing rapists don't give a **** about, it's the law.

And the bigger issue is that this takes up column inches and air time. And I get it, identity politics are easier that talking about actual problems, but do you hear yourself? You're talking about making a new law to address rapes that really aren't happening (bathroom sexual assaults) and keeping .01% of the population out of a bathroom you don't want them using, which they've been using and has rarely been a problem. I mean, what is the point of all this? Why are we talking about this while India somehow has a problem with starvation and obesity? Which issue is actually important?
Regardless of what you say, adult men in dresses following little girls into the ladies room is not acceptable and should not be legal.

It amazes me that this even needs to be discussed.

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Old 04-26-2016, 02:40 AM
 
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Ok, I know that it's easy to rely on stupidity here but some people take notice when you clearly don't have an argument. I can tell what you're doing. Answer my question or admit defeat. I'm not asking the question again. Go back and read it yourself. Prove your intelligence. You claim to value common sense; as someone who also values common sense, I expect a damn answer. Not one line of no content.
You asked me if a man who appears to be a woman should have to use the men's restroom.

And I said, "Yes, if 'she' has a penis."

Now you say that I didn't answer your question.

Well, in fact, I DID answer your question.

Next!
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Old 04-26-2016, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You asked me if a man who appears to be a woman should have to use the men's restroom.

And I said, "Yes, if 'she' has a penis."

Now you say that I didn't answer your question.

Well, in fact, I DID answer your question.

Next!
Let's ask the obvious question, if 'she' is either pre-op or just a transvestite or becoming female but is dressing as a woman, why shouldnt she use the women's room? Anatomically 'she' maybe male but her looks may not make you think she is. Fyi, there is transgender porn stars that unless you saw them naked, you wouldn't knew they were male... Just watch HBO's Going Down in the Valley for reference.
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Old 04-26-2016, 04:44 AM
 
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The big adult male ding dong with the little girl -- hmm, just doesn't go together for me.
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