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To blame the Quran/Islam for ISIS's and Iran's behavior, is like blaming the New Testament for past Catholic Popes that tortured and killed millions of people.
To blame the Quran/Islam for ISIS's and Iran's behavior, is like blaming the New Testament for past Catholic Popes that tortured and killed millions of people.
You are brainwashed, pure and simple. Islam is the ONLY major religion in the world that demands incessant violence against nonbelievers. Chrisitanity does not. There are instances of violence in the old testament in historical context, but nowhere is there a justification for ongoing violence, and Jesus himself called for an abandonment of violence from his followers.
You think that Christianity is more violent contrary to all reality because, and only because, you are brainwashed.
Islam also explicitly condones rape of non Muslims.
Islam is a garbage "religion" that does not allow for peace with nonbelievers:
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran (9:29)“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).
Successful indeed are the believers, who are humble in their prayers and who keep aloof from what is vain and who are givers of poor-rate and who guard their private parts, except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blamable.
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Look, believe what you wanna believe about Islam. Why are you guys always making threads in an attempt to get people to defend Islam so that you can shoot it down and get others to agree with you. Then you'll feel better about yourselves.
You hate Islam. Great. What do you want us to do or say about it? No one cares, and Muslims aren't going anywhere.
Move on.
No, actually we are going to keep going until every braindead lefty enabler wakes up to the fact that Islam is an existential threat. They will slit your throat first, regardless of whether you like them or not.
You are brainwashed, pure and simple. Islam is the ONLY major religion in the world that demands incessant violence against nonbelievers.
As a top Christian Scholar says,
"In terms of its bloodthirsty and intolerant passages, the Bible raises considerably more issues than does the Qur'an. Some Bible passages justify genocide and multigenerational race war; the Qur'an has nothing comparable. While many Qur'anic texts undoubtedly call for warfare or bloodshed, these are hedged around with more restrictions than their biblical equivalents, with more opportunities for the defeated to make peace and survive."
Chrisitanity does not. There are instances of violence in the old testament in historical context, but nowhere is there a justification for ongoing violence, and Jesus himself called for an abandonment of violence from his followers.
You think that Christianity is more violent contrary to all reality because, and only because, you are brainwashed. Islam is a garbage "religion" that does not allow for peace with nonbelievers:
I fully see your point. But clearly the Old Testament (the Jewish Holy Book) is more violent than the Quran. Are any republicans attacking Judaism?
And will you call Judaism a "garbage" religion?
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No, actually we are going to keep going until every braindead lefty enabler wakes up to the fact that Islam is an existential threat. They will slit your throat first, regardless of whether you like them or not.
Its the republicans who can't even understand the meaning of the words "Islam", "Judaism", and "Christianity" that are causing the overall problems.
"In terms of its bloodthirsty and intolerant passages, the Bible raises considerably more issues than does the Qur'an. Some Bible passages justify genocide and multigenerational race war; the Qur'an has nothing comparable. While many Qur'anic texts undoubtedly call for warfare or bloodshed, these are hedged around with more restrictions than their biblical equivalents, with more opportunities for the defeated to make peace and survive."
I doubt any Christain Scholar really said this because a simpleton knows that it is not true. What are these alleged passages in the Bible that urge incessant war? Don't bother. They don't exist. Nowhere does even the Old Testament god tell the Jews that they have to endlessly kill anyone. As for Islam:
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran (9:29)“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (The Noble Quran, 5:51)"
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
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I fully see your point. But clearly the Old Testament (the Jewish Holy Book) is more violent than the Quran. Are any republicans attacking Judaism? .
1. No it isn't, and you only believe so because you are listening to liberal nonsense uncritically.
2. You are INTENTIONALLY ignoring the point that it is uniquely Islam that calls for neverending war against those who believe differently.
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And will you call Judaism a "garbage" religion?
Nothing in the religion of the Jews is calling for them to kill me an rape my wife. Nothing.
Islam is trash. I oppose Islam because Islam opposes me.
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Its the republicans who can't even comprehend the meaning of the words "Islam", "Judaism", and "Christianity" that are causing the overall problems.
Yeah, the Republicans are causing all of the rapes in Europe by Muslims. The Republicans are causing Afghan girls who want to go to school to be murdered by good Muslims. The Republicans are causing terrorism in Russia by Chechnyan Muslims and in China by Uigher Muslims. The Republicans are causing women to be sold into sex slavery in Mali in the name of Islam. Republicans are causing Iranian Muslims to kill homosexuals. The Republicans caused one of our reporters to be gang sexually assaulted in Egypt. The Republicans stone women to death in Saudi Arabia for adultery. And on and on.
It is the Republican's fault that everywhere they share space with an "infidel" they cause terrorism and violence, and wherever they can't find an infidel they persecute their own heretics, women and homosexuals.
Please. You don't know enough about anything to insult anyone else. If you would bother to research the things you are trying to lecture others on, you would have an epiphany and realize just how brainwashed you are.
As for attacking Republicans, most are almost as brainwashed as you and the other side of the isle. How many times did I have to listen to Bush and his "tiny minority" crap?
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Look, believe what you wanna believe about Islam. Why are you guys always making threads in an attempt to get people to defend Islam so that you can shoot it down and get others to agree with you. Then you'll feel better about yourselves.
You hate Islam. Great. What do you want us to do or say about it? No one cares, and Muslims aren't going anywhere.
Move on.
The world would be a much better and much more peaceful place without islam. I say exterminate it.
When ISIS deploys the religious police in Raqqa and arrests and jails people for un-islamic appearance, everybody jumps to the defense of Islam. This is not the "real" Islam. How many times even Obama has said this. It turns out thousands of miles away in a country who does not speak Arabic and has no cultural connection with Syrians does exactly the same thing, and even worse. Hmm, what is the connection, I wonder? Are we to believe that Iranians too are not practicing Islam? Are Obama and Clooney now the arbiter of what is the real Islam?
Iranian police have established a vast network of thousands of undercover officers tasked with reporting on moral violations in the Islamic Republic’s capital, Tehran’s police chief said on Monday. Some 7,000 vice agents have been deployed to Tehran’s streets to tackle sub-standard veiling by women as well as crimes such as anti-social behavior,
Let's simplify this: ISIS is the Taliban and Iran is the old Russian KGB. Neither are representative of Islam itself.
Are ISIS and Iran insane and immoral? YES
Is the Quran and Islam insane and immoral? NO
How can it be? Tell me where this sort of stuff happens? Raqqa or Tehran? And if you can't tell the difference, ask yourself where does it come from? Did they meet somewhere and drew up a joint plan? No, they don't have to. They are reading from the same playbook. What is YOUR explanation?
"The morality police in Iran usually detain women on the street for wearing bright clothes, a loose hijab or make-up, and men for "unacceptable" hair and clothing styles. They have sealed off barber shops for giving Western haircuts and cafes in which boys and girls were not observing Islamic law."
Let's simplify this: ISIS is the Taliban and Iran is the old Russian KGB. Neither are representative of Islam itself.
Should I learn my Islam from you sitting in Tel Aviv, Obama, George Clooney or should I look to the people who were born and raised in Islam for a thousand years? Who knows Islam better? The Islam that you think should exist is a fantasy.
It's as Muslim as the most oppressive Christian sects are Christian. This kind of murderous Islam was not even a thing until a few decades ago.
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