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Old 04-20-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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I have read both the Koran and the Bible. And though the Bible contains some violent and appalling passages (mostly in the old testament) they are a tiny portion of the whole. The Koran, on the other hand, is violent and appalling throughout. A typical passage being along the lines of "the infidel shall be dragged by his face into the fiery pit, because God is wise and merciful". Passages similar to this all throughout. I approached the Koran with an open mind, even hopeful that I would find positive spiritual inspiration. But by the time I finished reading I had an entirely negative impression.



I would never follow a babble book that says one will roast in the hell fire for eternity for trivial things.
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Should I learn my Islam from you sitting in Tel Aviv, Obama, George Clooney or should I look to the people who were born and raised in Islam for a thousand years? Who knows Islam better? The Islam that you think should exist is a fantasy.
I am in Israel because I'm Jewish and currently because of Passover coming up. I spend our half the year in numerous Middle Eastern countries as my main office is in Dubai where I will return to after Passover. I have been working here for around twelve years and have had no problems with Muslims. In a few months I will return to my home south of DC. Islam is different in each country as Christianity is different in different areas of the US. I don't need to teach you or show you Islam. You need to widen your narrow view of it in the same way that Christians are not all strict Catholics and beat the Catholic drum daily.
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:21 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Real Islam isn't very nice, neither is real Christianity. On media you get the dumbed down versions.


The Christianity of the Bible says...


- Women can't speak in church, if they have a question they must ask their husband at home
-Anyone who doesn't accept Jesus will rot in hell for eternity, no excuses
- Homosexuality is an abomination and unnatural
- Women must obey their husbands
- The only reason for divorce is adultery. If your husband beats you but doesn't have an affair you must stay with him
- If you can't stop lusting after women you should cut out your eyes and castrate yourself
- If someone leaves the faith you must shun them. You can not eat or associate with them any more
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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I am in Israel because I'm Jewish and currently because of Passover coming up. I spend our half the year in numerous Middle Eastern countries as my main office is in Dubai where I will return to after Passover. I have been working here for around twelve years and have had no problems with Muslims. In a few months I will return to my home south of DC. Islam is different in each country as Christianity is different in different areas of the US. I don't need to teach you or show you Islam. You need to widen your narrow view of it in the same way that Christians are not all strict Catholics and beat the Catholic drum daily.

Amen
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:36 AM
 
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Real Islam isn't very nice, neither is real Christianity. On media you get the dumbed down versions.


The Christianity of the Bible says...


- Women can't speak in church, if they have a question they must ask their husband at home
-Anyone who doesn't accept Jesus will rot in hell for eternity, no excuses
- Homosexuality is an abomination and unnatural
- Women must obey their husbands
- The only reason for divorce is adultery. If your husband beats you but doesn't have an affair you must stay with him
- If you can't stop lusting after women you should cut out your eyes and castrate yourself
- If someone leaves the faith you must shun them. You can not eat or associate with them any more

Holy old testament! Seriously, if you're going to refer to the Bible..have knowledge of it. Share scripture and understand the difference between the old testament and new testament. GBY.
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:36 AM
 
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Real Islam isn't very nice, neither is real Christianity. On media you get the dumbed down versions.


The Christianity of the Bible says...


- Women can't speak in church, if they have a question they must ask their husband at home
-Anyone who doesn't accept Jesus will rot in hell for eternity, no excuses
- Homosexuality is an abomination and unnatural
- Women must obey their husbands
- The only reason for divorce is adultery. If your husband beats you but doesn't have an affair you must stay with him
- If you can't stop lusting after women you should cut out your eyes and castrate yourself
- If someone leaves the faith you must shun them. You can not eat or associate with them any more
"So it's all a big misunderstanding what Islam really is"

Isn't that really the nature of religion in general? One big misunderstanding?
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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Holy old testament! Seriously, if you're going to refer to the Bible..have knowledge of it. Share scripture and understand the difference between the old testament and new testament. GBY.
Why? When most believers are not so well versed, regardless the Holy book, why act incredulous when the common beliefs are repeated regardless the truth of these matters?

This is the essence of most problems in general. The truth is not what drives people. What drives people is what they are taught and what they want to believe.
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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Why? When most believers are not so well versed, regardless the Holy book, why act incredulous when the common beliefs are repeated regardless the truth of these matters?

This is the essence of most problems in general. The truth is not what drives people. What drives people is what they are taught and what they want to believe.
Why? Because you obviously do not understand the bible, nor the premise of how the 66 books are written...nor the scriptures themselves. If you'd like to learn, there are plenty of Christians willing to assist you - that way you can refrain from spreading false anti-Christianity rhetoric.
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:57 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Why? When most believers are not so well versed, regardless the Holy book, why act incredulous when the common beliefs are repeated regardless the truth of these matters?

This is the essence of most problems in general. The truth is not what drives people. What drives people is what they are taught and what they want to believe.
What drives people is their interpretation and what they are brainwashed to believe or want to believe.
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Old 04-20-2016, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I am in Israel because I'm Jewish and currently because of Passover coming up. I spend our half the year in numerous Middle Eastern countries as my main office is in Dubai where I will return to after Passover. I have been working here for around twelve years and have had no problems with Muslims.
Where did I say I have problems with Muslims? Those women who are subject to harassment by the 7000 strong religious police are Muslims too. You seem to miss the point of this thread. It is not about individual Muslims. It is not even about "Islamic" countries, such as Jordan. It is about places where Islam RULES. You can be sure they all have some kind of religious police one way or another and carry out brutal punishments. If it was all a big "misunderstanding", why do they all misunderstand it the same way?
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