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Old 04-22-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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But there are few people who contributed more to the establishment of this nation than Andrew Jackson. And that's just a fact.
And he had a good long run on the $20.

 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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Do you live in the United States? If so, why do you continue to live here if you have such a problem with how this nation was created?
Are you saying that a true American should never admit that there are episodes in our history that we aren't, and shouldn't be, proud of? The decimation of the Native American population, of which the Trail of Tears is one horrific chapter, is one of those things. Slavery is another.

Harriett Tubman replacing Jackson on the $20 is a win/win in that regard.
 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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Are you saying that a true American should never admit that there are episodes in our history that we aren't, and shouldn't be, proud of? The decimation of the Native American population, of which the Trail of Tears is one horrific chapter, is one of those things. Slavery is another.

Harriett Tubman replacing Jackson on the $20 is a win/win in that regard.
Indian removal is not an episode of American history, it's the very foundation that this nation is based upon. If you have such a problem with Europeans living on this land, and if you're of European heritage yourself, why do you continue to live here?
 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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Are you saying that a true American should never admit that there are episodes in our history that we aren't, and shouldn't be, proud of? The decimation of the Native American population, of which the Trail of Tears is one horrific chapter, is one of those things. Slavery is another.

Harriett Tubman replacing Jackson on the $20 is a win/win in that regard.
Wait, I was told that was not a big deal. Now it's win win?
 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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There are probably hundreds of people who would 'merit' being portrayed on our money.

Traditionally, only one is chosen to be on the front of a denomination.

Who YOU believe to have the most merit is just your opinion, and you are not in a position to make the decision.

I would wager that every single poster in this thread would have a different idea of who has the most merit.

And to attribute affirmative action to the musings of a 10 year old girl is quite laughable, and totally negates your claim that you 'don't care as long it's based on merit'.
It's sad that a nine year old already knows how to discriminate based on gender and race. I don't think that's a laughing matter.
 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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Indian removal is not an episode of American history, it's the very foundation that this nation is based upon. If you have such a problem with Europeans living on this land, and if you're of European heritage yourself, why do you continue to live here?
I wasn't around when this country's policies included chattel slavery and Native American genocide, so I cannot go back and change my country's history. But I can recognize and accept that America has not always been on the right side of history, and at the same time, still love my country.

But I understand how that might be too nuanced of a concept for a simplistic, "'Murica, love it or leave it!" mind to grasp.
 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Wait, I was told that was not a big deal. Now it's win win?
In all fairness, I was the one who said "it is just a picture. It is not a big deal."

I understand why some might have problem with Andrew Jackson.

Personally, I don't believe historical figures should be judged using 20/20 hindsight. Andrew Jackson was a supporter of the “common man” - he felt the government was only helping the rich.
He was the hero of the Battle of New Orleans - this gave Americans a huge sense of pride.
He fought in Revolutionary war. Without people like him, we perhaps would never have this country. It saddens me to see him being replaced. But that is just my opinion and I don't speak for anybody else but me.

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So to me, there are two arguments

Does Harriet deserve to be on that bill? Yes, absolutely

Should we "replace" Andrew Jackson, I don't think so (but that is my opinion)
 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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I wasn't around when this country's policies included chattel slavery and Native American genocide, so I cannot go back and change my country's history. But I can recognize and accept that America has not always been on the right side of history, and at the same time, still love my country.

But I understand how that might be too nuanced of a concept for a simplistic, "'Murica, love it or leave it!" mind to grasp.
You can leave and return the land back to the natives.
 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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Indian removal is not an episode of American history, it's the very foundation that this nation is based upon. If you have such a problem with Europeans living on this land, and if you're of European heritage yourself, why do you continue to live here?
That's correct! Americans should all be thankful for our ancestors having slaughtered those Indians.
 
Old 04-22-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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I wasn't around when this country's policies included chattel slavery and Native American genocide, so I cannot go back and change my country's history. But I can recognize and accept that America has not always been on the right side of history, and at the same time, still love my country.

But I understand how that might be too nuanced of a concept for a simplistic, "'Murica, love it or leave it!" mind to grasp.
Save your delusional intellectual pretensions, you're completely missing this simple point. This country is founded on Europeans removing the native population. It doesn't matter whether you were here for it or not. If that is not on "the right side of history," then it's not on the right side of the present either, because Europeans continue to live here. And if you have such a problem with that, perhaps you should do something about it and return to Europe.
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