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My son has gym and they don't even take showers afterwards anymore. Hell, when I was in high school in the 1990s we didn't take showers at school either.
I am a member of a couple of health clubs and all of our locker rooms have stalls with shower curtains so you don't see naked people taking showers.
Honestly, it seems like a lot of people on this forum are obsessed with transgender issues that are not an issue at all. You are making up stuff to get upset/outraged about.
We're probably similar in age - given your HS in the 90s comment. I will say that in HS and even children who are in lower grades, tend not to shower at school. There was a few that would (at least in the boys locker room), I was one - as I had PE during the day, then football practice right after school ended...so I took a shower after football practice. I was definitely a minority - as only maybe 2-3 other guys would take showers after practice...everyone else would hop their stinky bums into their parents car or their own vehicle and drive home.
That being said - I am in the boat of why is government involved? We've been using restrooms/showers/locker rooms with every spectrum of the LGBT community and now it's an issue? I get that if you're transgender, you identify with the opposite then what you were born as...but seriously - what percentage does the transgender community make up of the whole? Gender neutral facilities seem sorta out of the question, unless you're going to take an existing facility and reclassify it as gender neutral vs spending extra money to add new facilities (that's if you even can...due to space limitations).
This issue is silly and frustrating - and having the government involved is only going to make it worse.
My son has gym and they don't even take showers afterwards anymore. Hell, when I was in high school in the 1990s we didn't take showers at school either.
I am a member of a couple of health clubs and all of our locker rooms have stalls with shower curtains so you don't see naked people taking showers.
Honestly, it seems like a lot of people on this forum are obsessed with transgender issues that are not an issue at all. You are making up stuff to get upset/outraged about.
Plenty of folks have said that they use facilities that are open area group showers. I suppose a lot depends on where in the country/how old the infrastructure. Just because one person does not see things in their daily lives, does not mean other people do not in vastly different circumstances across the entire country.
Transgender people represent less than .3 of the population. Out of the blue they decide they want to choose a place to wee-wee rather than use what was acceptable to them before. To satisfy their selfish demands we will be placing our children in a situation where they could be molested or raped by the perverts in our society.
I think all sensible folks should stand with North Carolina on this subject.
That is part of the problem. As most transgenders have not completed or do not intend to have genital reassignment surgery, how would it be obvious at all if it was a true transgender showering in front of girls with his penis hanging there or just your run of the mill Joe with his penis hanging there, showering in front of the girls?
How come the girls do not matter anymore? How come the parents of the girls do not matter anymore? How come only .0003% of the population is what matters above all others?
Oh for goodness' sake. Most transgenders, whether they've had reassignment surgery or not, are doing other things to transition. Hormones, cosmetic surgery, that kind of thing. And they are not going to stand with their "penis hanging there". What about that don't you people get? There are plenty of ways to tuck and be discrete that they can employ to avoid that. That's if they even choose to shower at all.
Your run of the mill Joe standing there with his penis hanging out, especially if he's a member of the public school community per your example, and known to the locker room inhabitants, is there for nefarious purposes and that is already against the law.
It will be quite easy for a prosecutor to prove if that's the case.
Oh for goodness' sake. Most transgenders, whether they've had reassignment surgery or not, are doing other things to transition. Hormones, cosmetic surgery, that kind of thing. And they are not going to stand with their "penis hanging there". What about that don't you people get? There are plenty of ways to tuck and be discrete that they can employ to avoid that. That's if they even choose to shower at all.
Your run of the mill Joe standing there with his penis hanging out, especially if he's a member of the public school community per your example, and known to the locker room inhabitants, is there for nefarious purposes and that is already against the law.
It will be quite easy for a prosecutor to prove if that's the case.
This is the part so many people are missing. It is the unintended consequences, when the government gets involved in certain things. There is NO WAY to LEGALLY determine who IS or who IS NOT a transgender person. So, if the government gives the transgender community the right to shower in the girls shower even though they are a biological males, the can of worms is opened up for people for are NOT transgender. All anyone from anywhere has to do is "claim" they are transgender and they will not be able to be stopped from showering naked, with their penis exposed, in the girls shower in municipalities which passed such ordinances.
People who choose to take advantage of a law like this, NOT TRANSGENDERS, really won't even be able to be questioned by police just for showering naked in front of girls, as the police would fear a discrimination lawsuit, as they would have no clue if this person was or was not a transgender, as there are no legal ways to prove such. This is ALREADY happening and there have been BIGGER issues already in Canada. How far does it have to go?
When laws are made, people have to think through all possibilities and how they would be handled legally. You just can't assume things won't happen. You have to have protocols in place for law enforcement to follow and this type of thing would not be enforceable, unless or until AFTER something bad happened directly to somebody. That is the point we are trying to make. It has nothing to do with transgenders being bad people. It is about bad people taking advantage of the system and/or people being forced into uncomfortable situations.
My son has gym and they don't even take showers afterwards anymore. Hell, when I was in high school in the 1990s we didn't take showers at school either.
We get it... Neither you nor your son are athletes. That doesn't mean that your and your son's insistence on stinking after gym class is as widespread as you want others to believe.
Whatever is appropriate to there current plumbing.
They want the exact opposite. "Self-identified" trans persons with penises want to use the girls'/women's multiple occupancy shower room, and vice versa.
There isn't even any standard to determine who is legitimately transgender or not, and there's been no proposal for how that is to be determined at the entrance of every facility during the hours they're open.
just let them go to the bathroom they identify with,
and if there are problems, they can be charged with a crime.
there really is no other answer.
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