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Old 04-27-2016, 10:38 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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That's what I have been saying. Cons love to say gun laws won't stop shootings from happening, so what on earth makes them think this "needed law" would stop someone from going in a restroom to attack someone if they were so bent on it. You guys know it's already illegal to attack someone in a bathroom, right?
I never realized restroom crime was such a major issue in this country.
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Old 04-27-2016, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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There are existing laws to prosecute perverts and rapists. There is no need to single out transgender people in this manner.

Certainly among a huge population you will find an isolated case of anything.

The question is does a new law harm more people than it protects?

There is great harm and danger associated with being transgender in the US. New laws like these force more into harms way.

As for the boys that objected to a FTM or girls to a MTF it is called growup and get over it. Education and maturity is needed in a case like that.
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Old 04-28-2016, 02:21 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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As for the boys that objected to a FTM or girls to a MTF it is called growup and get over it. Education and maturity is needed in a case like that.
As I've already posted in this thread, 33 States' Laws, Federal Law, and the PA Federal Court ruling don't support your position. Neither does 77% of the age 30+ population.
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"Most Americans (59 percent) aren't comfortable with the idea of transgender students picking which bathroom or locker room to use, and think they should use the facilities of the gender they were born as, while 26 percent think they should be allowed to use the bathrooms and locker rooms of their preferred gender.

...Just 23 percent of Americans age 30 and older think transgender students should be able to pick which facilities to use, compared to 35 percent of Americans under 30"
​CBS News Poll: Transgender kids and school bathrooms - CBS News

Just look at the response of those old enough to have kids. 77% of the age 30+ population doesn't want transgenders to be able to "choose" which facilities (men's/boys' or women's/girls') to use.
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Old 04-28-2016, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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I have read a few articles recently about this subject. I wasn't sure how I felt, since the reason why bathrooms are segregated is for privacy of the opposite sex and for safety.

On one hand I wouldn't want a passable transgendered person to have to use a bathroom that they don't look like they belong in. What would happen if a female to male went into a womens room, looking like a man? The issue with that are obvious.

But then I realized that they must have been using the bathroom of the sex they look like all along and I haven't heard of any problems from that and I doubt many people realize it happens.

It makes me think that there always has to be some sort of social issue that people are debating about.
Social conservatives apparently have a serious need to stick their noses into other people's private business. They've lost the battle to force gays and lesbians back into the closet and into second class citizenship, so they've had to find a new target. When they lose this one, too, they'll move on to something else.
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Old 04-28-2016, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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As I've already posted in this thread, 33 States' Laws, Federal Law, and the PA Federal Court ruling don't support your position. Neither does 77% of the age 30+ population.

​CBS News Poll: Transgender kids and school bathrooms - CBS News

Just look at the response of those old enough to have kids. 77% of the age 30+ population doesn't want transgenders to be able to "choose" which facilities (men's/boys' or women's/girls') to use.
A few decades ago, a majority of Americans didn't think African American children should be allowed to go to the same schools as white children.

A few years ago, a majority of Americans didn't think a same sex couple should be allowed to marry or to adopt children.

Times change and people's attitudes change.
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Old 04-28-2016, 06:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A few decades ago, a majority of Americans didn't think African American children should be allowed to go to the same schools as white children.

A few years ago, a majority of Americans didn't think a same sex couple should be allowed to marry or to adopt children.

Times change and people's attitudes change.
Times haven't changed on this issue. It's the wrong time to push the will of 0.3% of the population onto the rest of the population of either gender. Especially since so many facilities still have multiple occupancy restrooms/changing/locker/shower/etc. rooms. Wait a few more decades, and try again.
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Old 04-28-2016, 12:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Times haven't changed on this issue. It's the wrong time to push the will of 0.3% of the population onto the rest of the population of either gender. Especially since so many facilities still have multiple occupancy restrooms/changing/locker/shower/etc. rooms. Wait a few more decades, and try again.
Completely agree with this. While I support the rights of transgender people to use the bathroom of the gender in which they identify, this is the wrong time to push this issue. The backlash is not going to only set back rights for transgender people but the broader LGBT community.
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Old 04-28-2016, 12:37 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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A few years ago, a majority of Americans didn't think a same sex couple should be allowed to marry or to adopt children.
In many parts of this country, a majority still do not. Same-sex marriage is still a big deal to a lot of conservatives.
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Old 04-28-2016, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Times haven't changed on this issue. It's the wrong time to push the will of 0.3% of the population onto the rest of the population of either gender. Especially since so many facilities still have multiple occupancy restrooms/changing/locker/shower/etc. rooms. Wait a few more decades, and try again.

What would you suggest as an alterative? Have transwomen go into the restroom and potentially be beaten to death by homophobes motivated by gay panic?
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Old 04-28-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What would you suggest as an alterative? Have transwomen go into the restroom and potentially be beaten to death by homophobes motivated by gay panic?
As has been suggested many times , Use the Family single occupancy facility and lock the door. Even Target has them.

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