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Old 04-23-2016, 11:03 PM
 
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I am not a conspiracy theorist and I do not believe 9/11 was an "inside job." The evidence supports the conventional view of the Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden involvement. There seems to be a Saudi connection, though, and we haven't heard the full story yet.
I agree. I found this a little informative about what is in those 28 pages.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHrzIyGTcvs
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Old 04-23-2016, 11:18 PM
 
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Worst president this century, no doubt about it.

this century?.....only two to pick from...and they both sucked..........
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Old 04-24-2016, 03:36 AM
 
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I suppose it's not too surprising...

How US covered up Saudi role in 9/11 | New York Post
15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. OMG, how much crap fellow "crazy liberals" and I got back then from conservatives for daring to mention this fact...when Bush had spent so much time entertaining Saudi royalty at the ranch! Huge DUH! Not to you, Suburban Guy, but to those who threw fits and swore up and down to those of us who had been paying attention for years that we were wrong. And further, those who got "all those people" (those from the Middle East) mixed up and, not very long after 9-11, got it in their heads that Iraq had anything to do with it...are you happy?
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Old 04-24-2016, 04:04 AM
 
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Adding an excellent article The Kingdom and the Towers | Vanity Fair. Most interesting to me is the "Blame it on Iraq" section.
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Old 04-24-2016, 04:58 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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What does that have to do with hate? We nuked Japan for less - twice.


With Japan we had proof, all we have right now with Saudi Arabia is speculation on whether the Saudi government was actually involved. Or do you believe an attacker merely originating from a particular country justifies attacking that country?
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Old 04-24-2016, 05:21 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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With Japan we had proof, all we have right now with Saudi Arabia is speculation on whether the Saudi government was actually involved. Or do you believe an attacker merely originating from a particular country justifies attacking that country?
The proof is likely in those 28 blacked out pages.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:07 AM
 
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The proof is likely in those 28 blacked out pages.
While that is likely true, there are those who will continue to claim 'plausible deniability' re: these matters:

"...Bob Graham, with his long experience in the field as a member and chair not only of the Joint Inquiry but also of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has continued to voice his anger over the censorship even in retirement. President Bush, he wrote in his book Intelligence Matters in 2004, had “engaged in a cover-up . . . to protect not only the agencies that failed but also America’s relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. . . . He has done so by misclassifying information on national security data. While the information may be embarrassing or politically damaging, its revelation would not damage national security.” Richard Shelby concluded independently that virtually all the censored pages were “being kept secret for reasons other than national security.”

“It was,” Graham wrote, “as if the president’s loyalty lay more with Saudi Arabia than with America’s safety.” In Graham’s view, Bush’s role in suppressing important information about 9/11, along with other transgressions, should have led to his impeachment and removal from office. ..."

The Kingdom and the Towers | Vanity Fair
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:49 AM
 
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The proof is likely in those 28 blacked out pages.
And if it is we should act accordingly but not before we have actual proof. Our shoot from the hip READY! FIRE! AIM! operations tend to not go so well.
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Old 04-24-2016, 07:28 AM
 
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And if it is we should act accordingly but not before we have actual proof. Our shoot from the hip READY! FIRE! AIM! operations tend to not go so well.
Agreed. Learning from past mistakes includes admitting they've been made.

Here's an experiment - take a look at this web site:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/in...#axzz1euUUezsb

There's a search function for their entire document archive, the above search used the keywords, "mistakes were made" & identifies each case where an American President used these words in a speech or document. It's a pretty long list.

After all, identifying a mistake is not the problem, it's what one does after 'to make it good.' The problems often come when identifying mistakes is not 'to make them good' but to minimize or justify illegal actions.

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Old 04-24-2016, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Everyone should watch this video. It's long, but very interesting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-LsHRalB1Y
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