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Old 04-24-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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When it's 99% of the time the private sector that imposes "political correctness" on everyone. Sorry, your right to free speech stops when you enter someone else's private property; that includes the mass media, which is privately owned. It's their business decision not to allow obvious racist and sexist viewpoints to be printed or aired in a manner that seems like it's an endorsement on the company. The First Amendment ONLY protects your right to speech from government interference, except by court order or contract, not from another private individual or organization. If you want to start seeing news that isn't politically correct, then start your own TV station.
It absolutely is oppression. When a person can't speak their mind freely, for fear of political persecution it's oppression. We have corporations that are partnered with the government helping create policy. Those corporations are targeting people for political dissent and the punishment is unemployment, financial ruin and the end of their ability of provide for their family. Same with the oppressive left threatening to boycott and or sue any company who employs someone they disagree with politically. It's just an end run on persecuting political dissenters.

Also, none of this has anything to do obvious racist or sexist viewpoints, the left has plenty of those to go around that they simply choose not to persecute. This is about silencing political dissent and creating an environment of fear.

A person could just pack up and leave, but then you've got those bases covered too now don't you? Anyone renouncing their citizenship has to pay an exit tax of 50% of all net worth or more. If they decide to move, but not formally renounce their citizenship then they won't be able to open a bank account, pay bills or secure employment. If somehow they do secure employment, then you've got that covered as well by taxing them in the US after their new country has already taxed them.

You have no interest in coexistence, diversity or civil debate. What you want is a corporate/socialist, military state where people are intimidated to express political dissent or speak freely in public. I respect that many on the left are now grudgingly starting to admit much of this.
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Old 04-24-2016, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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you said "hey guys" lol
I know, right! The term "guys" is sexist and therefore politically incorrect.

Besides, the biggest PC Police problem we have are in public spaces where anyone should be able to speak freely. These idiots not only want to control what we say and how we say it, but also what we think.
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Old 04-24-2016, 02:38 PM
 
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Back in the 50s and 60s comedians who pushed the limits were welcomed and encouraged by college students. Some of the big name comedians of the era were clean on TV but performed pretty dirty in the clubs. Today it's the college students that are censoring comedians to the point of them avoiding college campus. The Bill of Rights includes Freedom of Speech, it does not include freedom from being offended. The problem with private businesses, ESPECIALLY NEWS AGENCIES, self censoring is where does it end and who decides what is offensive or forbidden speech/words? At one time the press was against censorship and now they not only censor themselves, they've even created a list of words they're not to use and the latest politically correct replacement for those words. They even censor their news stories (content or if it gets covered at all and for how long will the story be followed) based upon their social and political beliefs instead of the value of the story itself. The press has been called "the fourth estate" making them to be like an unofficial fourth branch of the government. Their duty, besides to report the news, was to speak truth to power. Now that only happens if those in power belong to a political party they oppose. Wrong is wrong regardless of democrat or republican. Legal terms like "illegal alien" aren't even allowed to be said or reported on news anymore. Medically and legally defined terms should never be banned because it offends someone.
The private news agencies are not reporting public policy, they're creating it. They sit as cornerstone members of the Council on Foreign Relations where they meet in private with our president, VP, cabinet members, international bankers, oil execs and billionaire controlled think tanks/endowments to plan our policy. What it will be, how it will help them, how it will be reported, how people who dissent will be rebuffed and demonized. The idea that the corporate news is somehow independent of the government is preposterous, they are simply the propaganda arm of the government.
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Old 04-24-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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When political correctness becomes militant, then yes it is oppression. We live in a society where having an opinion that gays shouldn't be able to get married will result in death threats against you and your family as well as threats to burn down or bomb your business.

Freedom of speech is what it is. Everyone is free to have an opinion and to shout it from the rooftops if they want to.
In my view, vocalizing opposition to a gay or lesbian couple's constitutional right to get married has nothing to do with "political correctness" and everything to do with lack of intelligence and moronic prejudice. In my home you won't get death threats, but you will be shown the door ... the back door.
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Old 04-24-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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It absolutely is oppression. When a person can't speak their mind freely, for fear of political persecution it's oppression. We have corporations that are partnered with the government helping create policy. Those corporations are targeting people for political dissent and the punishment is unemployment, financial ruin and the end of their ability of provide for their family. Same with the oppressive left threatening to boycott and or sue any company who employs someone they disagree with politically. It's just an end run on persecuting political dissenters.

Also, none of this has anything to do obvious racist or sexist viewpoints, the left has plenty of those to go around that they simply choose not to persecute. This is about silencing political dissent and creating an environment of fear.

A person could just pack up and leave, but then you've got those bases covered too now don't you? Anyone renouncing their citizenship has to pay an exit tax of 50% of all net worth or more. If they decide to move, but not formally renounce their citizenship then they won't be able to open a bank account, pay bills or secure employment. If somehow they do secure employment, then you've got that covered as well by taxing them in the US after their new country has already taxed them.

You have no interest in coexistence, diversity or civil debate. What you want is a corporate/socialist, military state where people are intimidated to express political dissent or speak freely in public. I respect that many on the left are now grudgingly starting to admit much of this.
you've demonstrated to me that you have no idea the difference between being punished by your employer for having a certain viewpoint and becoming a political prisoner for having a certain viewpoint. You do realize that you have NO first amendment when it comes to your employer right? You don't follow the rules, you get fired. That's not oppression. Being thrown in jail because you're Muslim or Christian is oppression. Losing yor job because you said blacks are all lazy welfare mooches isn't oppressing, it's getting soap out into your mouth, the adult way
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Old 04-24-2016, 03:47 PM
 
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PC is not oppression. One can exercise Employment at Will rights, and quit their employer, whenever they wish, if they dislike limitations on speech employer places upon them, as they represent the corp.

You can't have your cake and eat it. You must choose between the paycheck and absolute Free Speech rights in such cases. YOUR choice, so take personal responsibility for that choice and live with it either way.
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Old 04-24-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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you've demonstrated to me that you have no idea the difference between being punished by your employer for having a certain viewpoint and becoming a political prisoner for having a certain viewpoint. You do realize that you have NO first amendment when it comes to your employer right? You don't follow the rules, you get fired. That's not oppression. Being thrown in jail because you're Muslim or Christian is oppression. Losing yor job because you said blacks are all lazy welfare mooches isn't oppressing, it's getting soap out into your mouth, the adult way
You continue to separate the government and corporations, when they have essentially become one. So, being fired from your job for political dissent is still oppression, just a different form of it. Same way I felt about gays being booted out of the military in the past. By your logic, all they had to do was follow the rules and keep quiet right? I find many on the left do see the treatment of gays like this as a form of persecution. Perhaps for many, it's only persecution when they disagree with it?
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Old 04-24-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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You continue to separate the government and corporations, when they have essentially become one.
Baloney. A few corps were bailed out, hundreds of thousands were and are on their own.
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Old 04-24-2016, 04:15 PM
 
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Baloney. A few corps were bailed out, hundreds of thousands were and are on their own.
Are you familiar with lobbyist money? The reason we're stuck with the ACA, sky-high prescription drug prices, et al? Are you familiar with the Council on Foreign Relations, where our top government officials plan policy with corporate execs behind closed doors? There's a lot more to corporate/government collusion than bail outs, all though those are good examples as well.
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Old 04-24-2016, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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You continue to separate the government and corporations, when they have essentially become one. So, being fired from your job for political dissent is still oppression, just a different form of it. Same way I felt about gays being booted out of the military in the past. By your logic, all they had to do was follow the rules and keep quiet right? I find many on the left do see the treatment of gays like this as a form of persecution. Perhaps for many, it's only persecution when they disagree with it?
So basically you're saying employers should be forced to retain employees no matter how repulsive (and potentially bad for business) they may be.

Sounds oppressive.
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